could be made to improve the system and improve disclosure. and i just thought it was such an important issue. and it is just so long running. it started back in 2015. it went through the trump administration, got dropped, and is now alive again. so, trump is very likely to appeal this, likely to the supreme court itself. how much longer could these this legal drama drag out before the committee actually gets to see these documents? the supreme court docket does take a while. it could be next year or the year after. and i don t so much think the urgency of this one, it started. and now, i think, are different. now he is no longer an office and the new york times i m one of the reporters that was involved. we obtained 20 years of his personal and corporate tax returns. they have also the supreme court has turned them over to investigators. but that information, a lot of it has leaked out. but i think the public party policy part of this is what is important. and if it takes anot
investigated. joining me now, msnbc national security analyst, frank figliuzzi, he s the author of the fbi way, inside the bureau s code of excellence. and msnbc legal analyst charles coleman jr. it is good to see you both. frank, david french writes in the atlantic, the mere existence the search was deemed sufficient reason for an instant, unified volcanic right-wing response. and in the trump era, pro trump threats and violence follow pro trump rage like night follows day. listen, we have seen how trump s words sparked rage january 6th. we have this heated rhetoric aimed at the fbi. i asked you earlier in the week, how worried you are. i wonder if you think things have gotten better or gotten worse. time is going to tell. i think merrick garland s decision to release the search warrant and the return of documents list has helped a little bit and created some
paul in the sense that i do you think that the more grave offense is the attempt by trump to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. i mean, what a complete threat to our democracy. but i do think, if you are looking for second order criminal offense, espionage, under the espionage act, i think, would be fitting. that if you are going to prosecute a former president, and the espionage act would be something of such a serious and grave matter then it would be befitting, for the justice department to move forward. and the wording of the espionage act fits the known facts, like a hand in glove. it is really remarkable. because the espionage act includes when a person retains this kind of high-level secretive information, even when they are given a demand to return it by the government, and they still hold on to it. that is what the espionage says. so, that s why i think it s actually a very strong case, if the justice department wants to move forward, based on the publicly known fa
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former president for comment. but it appears that the statement from trump s lawyer was not true, since authorities found more classified and highly sensitive material at trump s residence this week. trump was given less intrusive opportunities to cooperate, but instead he chose to stonewall. and continue to store classified materials at his home. as for unprecedented, well, as the new york magazine s jonathan chait argued, and i will quote here, the reason don trump is the first former president to be treated like a criminal, is that he is the first former president who is a criminal, end quote. let s bring in my panel. paul butler is a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. david rohde is executive editor of news for the new yorker. com