the chance of that fail inging is slim. okay and then if you re running into dangerous weather as a pilot, what do you do. say you don t rely on that radar. is it better to fly through the storm instead of trying to climb over them especially when you consider these storms ranged upward of 20,000 feet above the current altitude? just basic aeronautics, get yourself out of the situation. really? these might have been rapidly developing cells. they might have seen a hole where they thought they could get through and they were developing so rapidly that it closed in. it s interesting because eric was talking to an expert and you brought that up, that taking a plane and flying it around 180 degrees, just turning around may be a perfect solution and our earlier guest didn t think that would be the solution. i guess it s pilot decision at the time. are pilots trained, how are they