by putting information out, you would undermine the presumption of innocence. the thing i would say here, this is a little unusual, because this is what s called a special grand jury. under georgia law, the judge has more discretion than usual to disclose information, so, i think we should expect to see some broader conclusions, but i don t think we should expect to see a lot of specifics about especially sensitive witnesses. so, grand juries are known for not being particularly difficult to get an indictment from. they say, any decent prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indictment. so, how does that play in here into releasing all this information? it s not i mean, it s basically just a prosecutorial document of some sort, right? yeah, it is. jake, there is actually some truth to that joke about the ham sandwich. i can tell you from my experience. it s important that people understand, this is not some independent fact-finding body reaching its own conclusions. the grand jury proc
different by my from the congressional committee. the graduate is 100% private. the vice president s testimony is absolutely secret and can only be revealed in a later court proceeding where there might be a statement from the grand jury that is quoted and so, there is no spectacle aspect to it, but there is a huge historic influx to the point that, do is subpoena the vice president? that decision to go all the way up to the attorney general. that s exactly right. the grand jury is the opposite of a spectacle. it is truly a fact finding body. and if i m donald trump right now lawrence, i think the increasing pace in broad and scope of the investigation which carroll just confirmed tonight and in even broader language that is in the washington post story, all of that would make me nervous if i m donald trump. looks like the department of
of a spectacle. it is truly a fact finding body. and if i m donald trump right now lawrence, i think the increasing pace in broad and scope of the investigation which carroll just confirmed tonight and in even broader language that is in the washington post story, all of that would make me nervous if i m donald trump. looks like the department of justice is taking a close look at all the different ways in which trump broke the law, and when you re donald trump and your ways of breaking the law are so numerous and varied, that s gonna spell real trouble. i think this is a very dark day for donald trump. it s a good day for the rule of law, let the investigation proceed let s see what happens. neil, thank you very much for joining us on this night we really appreciate it. coming up, part of the tribe the top constitutional law to merrick garland, and who has known him for 50 years will join us with his response to the breaking news tonight that
we have a really good report as a result of it. they do not say anything publicly, many of them do not. they are really focused on doing their job. i know that deep inside this hurts them. it hurts them because they have dedicated their lives to doing something to protect the catapult, and safeguard the capitol and our democracy. to have a person like her, and others as well, treat this like it did not happen, or try to minimize that, or in this case not make sure that the record of that day is accurate, that is painful. i am glad that you say that. jamie raskin has indicated that these public hearings are going to start in june. what is really important is what is going to be presented to the american public. we emphasized time and time again in the media that the january six committee is not a prosecuting body like the doj. they are fact finding body. do you think that raskin making
january. this is a big deal. this reveals to the public why almost every republican in congress believes. that donald trump inspired, perhaps is the cause, of this insurrection that we had on the six of january. and that donald trump is just dangerous and bad for the country, for the republican party generally. the public can now hear whatever republican says privately all the time. you know carlos, what value is that if it aids is down privately? we need something public. i m gonna turn now to dave ehrenberg. they said in a washington post op-ed, quote, it just seems clear that mccarthy like other people who lived through these events understand that donald trump had committed grave crimes against the we know that the 16 committee is an investigative body. it is a fact finding body. they are not going to prosecute crimes. it is a very open way for