and i think that across the board, the vast majority of the american people don t agree with a lot of the decisions the courts are making. president biden in an exclusive interview with my colleague, nicolle wallace, responding to today s very predictable supreme court decision on affirmative action. and that is where we begin tonight, with the united states supreme court once again turning the arc of justice away from equality and back to the early 20th century. striking down the use of affirmative action in college admissions. the roberts court, which wouldn t even look like the court it is today without affirmative action, decided that race conscious admissions programs at harvard university and the university of north carolina violate equal protection under the constitution. it is fitting then that it would be the court s first black woman justice, ketanji brown jackson, who clearly articulated the cost of this latest regression. writing in her dissent, with let them
it seems fitting that we continue to have this because we had a lot we had a couple centuries of that violence and that history compared to just a few decades of being free of that, even at the university of north carolina, they had that university was created in 1789 to serve the children of slave owners at the time, and they fought for 200 years to continue to exclude black students. so we knew going in to the argument that it was going to be a tough sell for this court, this sitting court. prior courts with republican appointed and democratic appointed justices had put aside those differences of politicized opinions, but this court through some of its questions you could kind of start reading through. we did feel very strongly that the law, the facts, and the constitution were on our side. and we had strong evidence from our own students discussing how
with my friend and colleague, nicolle wallace, to talk everything from the supreme court s decision to end affirm ative action who what has become of the republican party. joining me now is kurt bardella and juanita tolliver, political strategist, and despite the supreme court, you guys are both allowed to be here, so welcome. thank you. they don t know, i know clarence thomas really don t love it, but we ll let you stay. let s talk about this. so president biden, right off the top, of course, nicolle asked him about this decision and asked whether he thought the court was abnormal. he did say he thought it was an abnormal court. what do you make of the fact he then sort of pivoted to, i don t think we should do anything to expand it necessarily, i mean, he did go institutionalist on that. it s fully grating me. you know president biden was choosing his words carefully. he was not going to go too far into this is an undemocratic court or anything like that, but
president would say this is donald trump being donald trump and sort of representing america s interests. gosh, hallie he needs to be president. let me let joe have the last word here. he s our first citizen president. he was elected to shake things up here and abroad and that s what he s doing and he s doing it in a city that s not used to this kind of thing. but regular americans love what he s doing, hallie. i m sure that all of our presidents have been citizens, joe. not like this. we have to leave it there, gentlemen. we want to do a quick programming note before we hit break here. chris matthews hosting that special live town hall on president trump s first days in office. it s happening right here in washington. chris is looking at how president trump s aggressive agenda is already reshaping life in america. we re talking everything from the supreme court nominations to