in a little bit. i found it appalling that the fbi director leaked information. think about this where one second. if he thought the information was not satisfied and if he thought it wasn t that big of a deal, that he could go ahead and give it to the new york times, why didn t he do with himself? why didn t he just say, hey, i want you to know what s going on. instead, he has to whisper it to an ex-colleague who is a law professor and say, leak is to the new york times ? i think there s a lot more there. this is cya himself two days after he got fired. katherine: do you think he was lying about their loyalty or he misheard? eric: i think he was only being political. when you have an opinion about anything any testimony, it was negative for trump. everything that was factual? it was straight down the line. any opportunity he had to, he would take trump s legs out, it was only on the opinion stuff. i was worried about him. he made me nervous. katherine: there were some
case of obstruction. katherine: it s not possible. eboni: it s not even funny. katherine: he could pardon anyone he wants. how do you prove what s in his head? that s what they are going with. eric: final thought, chris? you look at the different comparisons. the presidential candidate had a massive amount of classified communication on her server that could have been hacked by god knows who and it looks like the republican candidate for president, now the president looks like he may have had communications with russia and one is a big deal and becomes watergate and everybody s is no big deal. is that the image that exist in the american people s heads coming out of this? let s get this right back where we were in election that elected donald trump. eric: coming up, prosecutors deny he wanted to burn the white house to the ground. this is big, chelsea manning gives her first tv interview after her early release from prison thanks to president obama. we will have more on t
new mass transit. new business friendly environment. new lower taxes. and new university partnerships to grow the businesses of tomorrow today. learn more at esd.ny.gov katherine: time to circle back with our specialist chris wilson and tom shillue. tom, a lot of people who see you, looks like a nice guy, but as it turns out you are a very mean dad? is hard to be mean dad in modern-day america. but i was raised by a mean dads were mean, moms were tougher. bullies bullied you on the playground, but we all turned out okay, all right? katherine: i think i m a better person because of bullying in a lot of ways. it makes you resilient! shillue. n
katherine: it did reveal government abuse. eric: i don t care. shouldn t do it! katherine: chelsea manning went to prison. eric: it was a 35 year sentence. katherine: i go to you, chris eboni: when you made the decision to blow the whistle so to speak. let s say she didn t in good faith and thought it was the right thing to do. then don t you have to live with those consequences? you would do. that s the point i was trying to make early or prove the attitude exist that you endanger our national security and if there was some way to justify it because somehow the ends justify the means for that s the wrong message to send. as long as we don t send that, we will continue will have reality winners and chelsea manning clear list. eric: here is good faith, didn t mean to, it s not even an issue in these spaces anymore, eboni. if you have classified information in this folder right here, and i walked over to have a cocktail in the bar by accident, didn t mean to leave
operation in the album and nail them. comey said that basically flynn wasn t central to the russian investigation, that he was touching on it. eric: tom, moving on there. chris matthews, to his credit, said that investigation i m sorry, that testimony, he said maybe it s time to move on. i m surprise he said that. strategically, you are going to see democrats move on that because they are going to move something they cannot prove, collusion, onto obstruction of justice. eboni: which they also probably can t prove. they know they cannot get to collusion, so matthews speaks the way a lot of democrats are speaking, let s move on, let s talk about speaking. do you know what s the problem? rachel maddow was going, can you imagine what s happening! trump lied! the specialists of structuring thing is worse, tom. i think they have worse of a