new mass transit. new business friendly environment. new lower taxes. and new university partnerships to grow the businesses of tomorrow today. learn more at esd.ny.gov >> katherine: time to circle back with our specialist chris wilson and tom shillue. tom, a lot of people who see you, looks like a nice guy, but as it turns out you are a very mean dad? >> is hard to be mean dad in modern-day america. but i was raised by a mean -- dads were mean, moms were tougher. bullies bullied you on the playground, but we all turned out okay, all right? >> katherine: i think i'm a better person because of bullying in a lot of ways. >> it makes you resilient! >> shillue. n