jenny kleenman and dr larny chen formerly policy director for mitt romney s presidential campaign. hello and welcome to the programme. just a week ago, 150 people ran into trouble in a small wooden boat off the coast of calabria in italy. on board were asylum seekers from afghanistan, somalia, iran. there were 20 children on board, including a newborn baby. 67 of them drowned. it s an appalling reminder of the risks involved. it is just as dangerous crossing the english channel. more than 16,000 made thatjourney in small boats last year, up from 300 in 2018. but how do you stop them? the new proposal set out by the british government today is heavy on deterrance. those who enter the uk illegally will be detained and removed to their home country or a third country like rwanda. they will be held for up to 28 days, without bail or court hearing, their claim for asylum automatically rejected and they will be banned from ever returning to the uk. and while this bill will not beco
people moving around the world, escaping conflict resettlement. now it is an exit number pool for a lot of people. how do governments who are under enormous political pressure now to restrict the numbers coming in, how did they deal with this? , ., ., , , this? first i would actually contest that it is only this? first i would actually contest that it is only or this? first i would actually contest that it is only or primarily - this? first i would actually contest that it is only or primarily about i that it is only or primarily about economic matters. the vast majority of those economic matters. the vast majority of those arriving in europe to have protection needs. this results from a number protection needs. this results from a number of protection needs. this results from a number of conflicts taking place but also a number of conflicts taking place but also countries that have moved away but also countries that have moved away from but also countries that have moved