prosecutor katie fang joins joins phang joins us. gene palmer i don t know whether he is or is not involved. one statement floating around there unconfirmed that sweat says he had nothing to do with, this basically just joyce mitchell. but maybe matt had a different relationship with gene palmer? maybe. i think both joyce mitchell and gene palmer were probably nervous whether or not they were going to catch this last convict alive from. we understand though if you look at the charges that have been filed by the clinton county d.a., the promoting the contraband and the tampering we don t see anything in terms of facilitation of the escape. in fact, the promoting of contraband were just for the small tools and for the art supplies that were supplied by gene palmer. so, right now even the clinton county d.a. does not believe that gene palmer helped in any escape plans by either sweat or matt. that s the distinction is that by giving them the tools, the contraband, that right, no dou