you may not want to name them, but they ve named themselves. while we still have time, congressman, you said on the energy and commerce committee in the house, and we re watching the senate in this rare thursday saturday rare saturday session as it awaits the language in this infrastructure bill. i don t have to tell you that many lamakers and activists have lamented just how much energy these negotiations have required, but since we re here, what will this bill s passage mean for your district and for that matter, others like your district? yeah, no, absolutely. i live in fort worth, texas. we re the largest city in the country, one of the largest cities in the country without any sort of intracity light rail. we re going to invest record amounts of numbers when it comes to public transit and then more traditional means of transportation, like making sure that we have improved bridge
medicare did provide health insurance for the elderly. medicaid for the poor. there s a reasonable debate about whether we should expand either of those or find other ways to insure and republicans have proposals on this to insure those with pre-existing conditions but the big story is not the website. they can fix the website, presumably. they can t fix this part of obama care which is the destruction of the private insurance market for 19 million people who were purchasing individual health insurance plans, they are now going to be forced, 16 million of them looks like will be forced into the exchanges where most of them will have to pay more and most will pay more for a plan that in many cases will be inferior or will provide a bunch of benefits they don t want. they liked they are young, healthy, liked having a catastrophic plan. these are responsible people. these are not the young invincibles who don t want health insurance. i think that s why the bill that s being introduced
13%. another committee what we need, senator? well, there are a lot of proposals out there. that is just one of the proposals. the president i think said he will veto that, if he does pass. you need to get the president involved. the president has to discuss and negotiate with congress as he seeks to raise the debt ceiling of the united states. martha, this is the sixth time in five years the president is asking to raise the debt ceiling. and when he was in the senate, he called it unpatriotic and a failure of leadership to have to raise the debt ceiling. he need to be involved in the discussions. martha: well, that may be. but in terms of what congress needs to do to bring forward something that the president might be able to get interested in and get opened up to, i was reminded of bowles-simpson. much the president himself instructed erskine bowles and alan simpson to get together. they came up with what many people across the country thought were strong, good ideas.
able to get these are the exchanges. they were calling for defunding underlaying and i think there was a lot of bureaucratic and political momentum to just go ahead and get this thing going. martha: when you think about it, it s almost like a business run and paid for by the american people and there is taxpayer money that is supporting this thing. so do we have the right to know whether or not it was a good business decision. that s exactly the question that congress is going to be asking. there is a new york times story yesterday about these problems. and the white house had declined, saying that they just didn t want to and that is not going to be good enough for congress and already the energy and commerce committee in the house controlled by republicans, cathleen sebelius, has the figures of enrollment, which he has not given out. she said that she doesn t know. and you will have members of
bill: here we go. fonews alert. the irs official in charge of enforcing obamacare and 47 new measures and taxes that come with the new health care law. bill: she is on the hot seat. the hearing is beginning right now. there is second issue for her as well. she used to run the irs department tied to the targeting of conservative and tea party groups. she will be under oath after repeated requests from republicans to do so. she appears today and we talk to the chairman of that committee darrell issa, just a few moments ago before the hearing began. darrell issa, good morning, welcome back to america s newsroom. good morning, bill. thanks for covering the rollout of obamacare and the many problems we re seeing. bill: the reason we brought you on we have a lot of questions for you. sarah holing gram, what do we want to learn from her from about obamacare. she was central figure in planning and coordination. although she is career professional she met with the political appointees at