reporter: except for your body instead of the car. bill: you mentioned obama care. in all likelihood what happens to the prices we are talking about here. reporter: baby boomers retiring needing more and more medical services all the time. you can only think that is going to push prices higher. bill: we were told otherwise. reporter: we were told otherwise and we were told that premiums, for example would come down, they have not, they are only going up. a report last week showed in some states prices are going up as much as 50%. bill: $124 for lipitor. in new zealand you get it force $6. that is apple pells and oranges and oranges there. we ll see you on the willis report on on the fox business network, 6:00 and 9:00 eastern time. thank you, jeri. martha: a controversial claim from a top republican as congressman darrell issa says the targeting of conservatives was an order that came from washington. karl rove is here on that and why congressman issa suggests that this goes deep
martha: has nating back and forth over the weekend. jonah goldberg, editor-at-large for national review and fox news contributor. jonah, good to have you here. what do you make of the argument it does go to washington because it came from the mouths of senators? karl didn t argue it went all the way to the white house but he thinks that is bad enough. what you say there in very short order was plouffe changing the terms and assumptions of his argument to basically, to any ground he could defend and he couldn t really defend any of it. first of all, original charge this was political. of course it s political. as charles krauthamer likes to say, political groups of one kind were targeted. that makes it political. you can t get away from that. the second question whether it came from washington or not. we know that there were a lot of senators who wrote letters to the irs, who invade, who rang witnesses from the irs saying you have to go after these groups. we know that president oba
rationale for his presidency, we re so smart, if we put our mind to it, the government can do anything we want it to do. they have to defend themselves on ground of incompetence or not being able to manage the bureaucracy. there is problem getting back to the irs, when they say that president obama had nothing to do with this in terms of ordering it, my hunch is that is probably true. we now know a lot of people in washington knew this was going on. that s why lois lerner pled the fifth. martha: yeah. she essentially misled congress about this. martha: could be as karl rove suggests, he blew the dog whistle and that was enough to sort of set the climate, that led to this. a lot of pieces still to put jonah, thanks very much for weighing in this morning. we ll see you soon. thank you. bill: who are you going to call? what from the white house the president is talking about the issue of mental health in america. want to drop in for a moment. i want to be absolutely clear.
we have to submit many, many reports. the chances of two agents being rogue and doing anything like that could never happen. chairman. house oversight committee says the irs scandal is much bigger than cincinnati. the administration is still, their paid liar, spokesperson, picture behind, he is still making up things what happens and calling this local rogue. there is no indication, the reason that lois lerner tried to take the fifth is not because there is a rogue in cincinnati. it is because this is a problem that was coordinated all likelihood right out of washington headquarters and we re getting to proving it. reporter: chairman issa staffers continue conducting transcribed interviews with those irs employees from ohio. we expect a hearing in his committee on thursday, looking into lavish spending at the irs, bill. bill: that is thursday but what do we expect later this afternoon, mike? reporter: it will be interesting. it is the first time in these four hearings that we hav
the scandals around washington that this one gets lost, brian? well, you know, we feel like we ve hit a dead end. now darrell issa has pursued this investigation it the best of his ability but the claim of executive privilege has effectively put a dead end into his investigation. and, once again, we call upon this administration to release those 80,000 documents, and allow this family, the terry family and the rest of the american public to understand why operation fas and furious was put into place and why the administration denied, specifically the justice department, denied that this operation ever took place for three months. bill: yeah. terry family was never even told that the weapons found at brian s murder scene were operation fast & furious weapons for three months. that information finally came out with his sell blowers. bill: i apologize.