spouting we are in danger of diluting ourselves into thinking that the threat of trumpism will go away when he does. it won t, of course. will it, ayman? no, you re exactly right. listen, just take a look at my home state of georgia. it s not just trump himself anymore. it s trumpism. it s an ideology. it s present. it has permeated and dominated the future of the gop. i mean, when was the last time we actually saw an anti trump gop candidate even run, and that s why i m saying look at georgia? we have the senate race between brian kemp and david perdue for the georgia governor s race, excuse me kemp, it s expected to blow purdue out of the water, even though purdue has gained the former presidents full-throated support. but here s the thing, camp is actually known for his use of trumpism and the trumpist playbook, even though he s been at the top of the former presidents enemy list ever since he refused to overturn the 2020 election in that
you have in georgia brian kemp, the republican who was number one on donald trump s enemy list. he hated him so much, he said he d support stacey abrams. kemp is humiliating his conspiracy opponent, david perdue, right now. his pro-trump opponent. kemp is rolling over him. you have loaded guns at the airports from republicans who keep getting arrested for bringing loaded guns to airports. then you ve got this michigan civil war going on within the republican party. i m just i think james carville is right again. like, don t make it harder than it should be. these people are out of their mind. they are crazy. they are kooks and conspiracy theorists. just like le pen in france, they re dangerous. you don t want them in charge, even if you agree with them on some issues. even if the other side is
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problematic measures deserving of high level review. it s extremely possible, because of the way this investigation happened, maybe even the investigators, the agents who were sending these subpoenas, did not initially know whose numbers and whose e-mails, necessarily, they were trying to get or the data. wow. it s not clear when they found out. clearly they did, and they still did not brief the people higher up. right, which is incredible, because at some point, someone knew who they wanted to get because somebody went to somebody and got all the e-mail addresses and phone numbers and everything else to put in there. there were a whole lot of somebodies who knew something. is it possible, evan that schiff, swalwell, mcgahn and anyone else involved here that we don t yet know were swept up in a larger investigation that didn t have anything to do with trump s enemy list, or is that too hard to believe? no, i think that exactly what you just said is the emerging likelihood or po
general william barr and jeff sessions testify under oath about that they knew about these secret subpoenas. let the administration did, the justice department, the leadership of the former president, goes even beyond richard nexten. richard nexten had an enemy list. this is about undermining the rule of law and for the attorneys general, barr and sessions, at least two, to say that they didn t know anything about it is beyond belief. so, we will have to have them come under oath to testify about that. democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal who sits on house judiciary joins us now. great to see you, congresswoman. great to see you. sgd answer that. i m not going to get it. let s start with what we re talking about. do you believe that something an operation of this scale, where journalists, democrats on