to lay off his investigation of flynn. so there s a lot here in terms of incriminating donald trump. that s for sure. there is a lot to be discovered, let s say that. we re going to wait and see what exactly robert mueller comes back with whenever that may be. no clue as of now. natasha bertrand, elizabeth holtsman and thank you and happy new year. there s been a mad dash by homeowners, many of you out there to pay the property taxes before the new tax law takes effect. but will their scramble make a difference, or will it be in vain? new york governor andrew cuomo, who signed an emergency order to help or try to help at least, joins me next.
specifically for russia. we now flash forward five months and this news, breaking this afternoon, that the first major indictment with nbc news confirming it now of this investigation, will come on monday. one single indictment could involve multiple people. so when we categorize this in legal terms, we just don t know the expectation of how this is going to how this rollout will take place early next week. joining me is nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian, elizabeth holtsman that recommended three articles of impeachment against richard nixon. also with me, former senior director of the national securi security council and white house correspondent sarah westwood. all right, so four enormous brains right here to break this down for everybody at home. because it is a little bit
able to continually deny it so i think we can t say anything is not possible. anything in this administration seems pretty much possible, joy. a coven that has put a spell on a lot of voters because we know there was an interview with a trump voter that was in one of these endless interviews to get into the psyche of trump voters who said well, i guess if he shot someone in cold blood i might change my mind. one of the interesting things about this is you set aside the constitutional question. elizabeth holtsman suggested if donald trump were to try to pardon himself there would be a lawsuit which he would lose because the constitution is clear but at the same time there s the politics of it. i remember watching that roger stone movie get me roger stone that incredible documentary and it talks about donald trump s orientation and affinity for people like roy cohn who s kind of a mentor for him. for those who don t remember, he was senator joe mccarthy s red baiting consigliere, h
msnbc documentary will air tomorrow. it s narrated by robert red ford and looks at water gate from the lens of firsthand accounts and scenes from the movie. let s look at the films depiction of the nixon tape that ended up being the smoking gun. what finally catches him is when the tapes are released, the smoking gun tape, puts the lie to the statement he had no advanced knowledge. on the tape you here nixon telling holeman to direct the cia to stop an investigation. those words clearly led to an obstruction of justice. i m joined by former u.s. congresswoman elizabeth holtsman who was on the house you addition yar committee during
the water gate hearing. congresswoman i remember you there. the great thing about it it was very solemn. you had a number of republicans joining you. you voted on the articles of impeachment. we would be watching from home an every bar in the states. everyone watched that hearing. it was a freshman senator from congress that forced the committee to have the hearings in public. he said if it s behind closed doors or secret you ll never have any credibility or belief in what we re doing. ultimately the committee was persuaded. the people may not have understood everything we were saying but they saw people were serious. it was professional. it was fair and that made a huge impression on the american people and bipartisan. one of the things i think