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wow. that s a beautiful shot. is that cgi, t.j.? too good. 6:34 in the morning. our friends at wnbc chopper 4 giving us a look at lower manhattan. nearly two years after the supreme court overturned roe versus wade, a new book is shedding light on conservativs years long strategy that led to the decision. the book is the fall of roe, the rise of a new america, explaining how the right s fer fervant anti-abortion activists helped overturn the law. elizabeth and lisa, congratulations. today is pub day. thank you. today is pub day. your baby is out into the world. here we go. it s here. deeply, deeply reportive, like 350 interviews. you get into the history of this
were behind the movement. certainly, as lisa was saying, there s all these levers of power they pulled. at its core, this is all happening over a period when america is becoming increasingly secular. there s so much cultural change, especially when it comes to marriage, family, and sex. these are the things that the anti-abortion movement ultimately is hoping to change, right? it s not just about overturning roe. it is a much bigger, half century plan to roll back the sexual revolution. joe, you ve watched this through faith and also politics over the course of your life and career, culminaing once donald trump is in the white house with 50 years of precedent overturned. right. right, 50 years of precedent overturned. elizabeth, you are right. catholics have been pro life for quite some time. as i always joke on this show, evangelicals, my church, southern baptists, were pro
reporting, i think the cliffhanger here as dobbs was being decided after the leak was whether john roberts was going to be able to get kavanaugh or comey barrett to come with him and just go with the mississippi 15-week ban. i m curious, what did your reporting find? how close did the chief justice get to getting one of those two to take a more incremental approach? well, he didn t get all that close. he tried, and he certainly tried hard. in the end, this isn t what happened. you know, one of the most interesting things i think we found, we uncovered some sort of internal documents that showed where this movement wants to go in the future and how, you know, elizabeth was talking about how this is a movement that s really intent on changing the structure or reverting the structure of american families. what we saw, they re looking at other things going forward. that s hinted at in this decision by thomas.
pervasive sense of denial, that this right that has been part of american life for two generations, could suddenly disappear. elizabeth, donald trump, obviously evangelicals were skeptical of him in 2015. 2016, he talked about being pro choice many times in public previous to that. ultimately, maybe they realized they could shape him a little bit because he so desperately wants to be elected, that they could dictate what they want from him. they did. one of the interesting things we found, too, it wasn t just evangelicals, right? catholics played a really important role in the anti-abortion movement s growth, origins. evangelicals were late coming to that in history. the leaders of the anti-abortion movement actually really were rooted in their conservative christian values. values about family, womanhood, and, of course, abortion. what our story shows is that it was chose values that really