were behind the movement. certainly, as lisa was saying, there's all these levers of power they pulled. at its core, this is all happening over a period when america is becoming increasingly secular. there's so much cultural change, especially when it comes to marriage, family, and sex. these are the things that the anti-abortion movement ultimately is hoping to change, right? it's not just about overturning roe. it is a much bigger, half century plan to roll back the sexual revolution. >> joe, you've watched this through faith and also politics over the course of your life and career, culminaing once donald trump is in the white house with 50 years of precedent overturned. >> right. right, 50 years of precedent overturned. elizabeth, you are right. catholics have been pro life for quite some time. as i always joke on this show, evangelicals, my church, southern baptists, were pro

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