because of my father who was a national socialist all the way until he died so. the same in the same in the same context so it just shows you that germany in the right perspective can go this way and can go that way so i don t think there is one german voice. regarding israel i think you know israel calls itself a liberal democracy and it is for its citizen citizens and is rather liberal democracy not for all of inhabitants excuse me mostly jew citizens it was legal citizens but not all of the people even guarded israeli rule for instance the palace in his liver living under occupation and this is the key question what can germany do because of course and he said to get involved in the affairs of another of another country is is difficult but if israel calls itself a liberal democracy and i think it should that should be the goal of israel then ok welcome to the club in all that to be a part of this club you have to observe human rights you have to observe equality for all citizens i t
people who live there not for one religion over another that s the only way that israel can seems like the hopeless optimist is you not me but me just for a second visitor i have as an outsider at this time of celebration jubilation in israel the seventieth anniversary a lot of people are talking up outside is a talking about the achievements that israel has made has made it you know i mean you re you re you re dismissing the end of the very notion already been able to talk about the flourishing economy people talk about democracy in israel do you dismiss all of this out of hand and do you know what would you say that similar achievements haven t necessarily be made on the palestinian side because the israelis have been. there are not you said i that peter peter there are not two sides there is not israel and there is palestine israel is the master israel controls everything they occupy palestine powerless thought if anything is a state of mind it is not anywhere on a map to be found i
that they when they say it has to be the two sides who come up with a solution we are not neutral as western countries in this equation we the western countries the united states germany have given close to unconditional support militarily economically and politically to israel while denying this to the palestinians so they re not honest brokers they are not neutral in this equation if they were then i think there could be progress over. it s interesting when high cost and u.f.o. minister of germany and to the office in his fist speech he said the reason i went into politics is auschwitz. and it was called it was all over and it was it was. given as an example that he s going to have no different israel politic than his and precess or is it my goblet but the government as well said i am in politics
and hope for a better shot a result of his use the word hope of three four five six times they re not statements he s talked about a great feat of state building what s your take on this well i just want to hark back to it s a state of mind it s been a nightmare of of the state of madrassas for palestinians for the past seventy years and just to touch on your the ground father of modern hebrew as well leibovitz was one of the largest proponents of palestinian statehood and palestinian rights to exist israel is a it s a zionist experiment and if you want to talk about the whole the cost and the horrors of that the problem is that most of some of the most violated people in israel have been the survivors of the whole accost many of them of those survivors are very pro palestinian and have been against what the state of israel has done. that when i say we re not going to spend but israel but unfortunately israel has
a home and without us being willing to do to cooperate and when you say israel has a great culture it does and israel has a critical social civil society well i can tell you speaking is that as head of an unusual fund here in germany the israeli civil society the critical voices within israel all standing under massive attacks from one side of israeli politics because you know the critic that we sound we say that if this construction fall that we have the foundation of our of our joint home it will not be corrected if we will not find a way to call for it was the palestinians and i disagree i don t think that you can compare it to a christian state but if we want to talk to each other then it s not that in seventy years and one hundred years the state of israel be older and wiser and will learn from its mistakes i believe that if we keep if we keep on like this there will be no state of israel as we know it today. no you becomes your.