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triantafilou. republicans should look out for republicans when drawing lines for apportionment. we won. this is a red state. treat it as such. voters value a spine. see, it s not really about good legislation or convincing voters you ll make their lives better or anything like that. no. it s just about manipulation of the rules of the game. we have everything working in our favor right now. we have redistricting coming up and the republicans control most of that process in most the states around the country. that, alone, should get us the majority back. that, alone. eric holder is the former attorney general under president barack obama. he now serves as chairman of the national democratic redistricting committee. and, mr. holder, thank you so much for joining us on a very on a very rough and dark, tragic day. i appreciate you coming on. yeah, this is a tough day. i mean, my heart breaks um you know, the mission in afghanistan was never one that was clearly defined. nation
court challenge, in which you lose the campaigns that the gains you made which is what happened in recent years in two major states in carolina and pennsylvania. i think that s the hesitation. the fact you re going to have a penalty for doing this. let s be clear. it s not just the gop that s doing this and has in the past. president obama can look down in springfield, illinois to summon his friends who know about drawing lines. i think this is a sort of decade s long tradition in both parties. there s no question that now the gop has got more control of more states and is being much more aggressive on this front. which is kwhie you have an interesting conversation where republicans in washington who remember north carolina and pennsylvania thought they were going to benefit from it and lost because they were overambitious, trying to tell hungry republicans at the state level, temper ambitions. an old saying, pigs get fat,
a divided senate. right? it s a bare majority in the house. everything is going to court. and there s the court part but also the where are we part of it in the sense that if you re republicans and rewind the tape five or six years, if you take the urban areas and moved them over, you would win there. you would take the district. trump so lost the suburbs. they got pummelled in the suburbs. and so the question is is that going to come back. politico says the environment of the trump era is volatile making it hard tore gauge how certain harder to gauge how certain areas will read. how do you factor in, you re not sure when you factor in trump. absolutely. we described the appetite and in terms of whether there s hesitation to do this, we haven t really seen this hesitation when it comes to the republican need to assert control over state legislatures. that gives them an advantage when we talk about drawing lines. the other branch of this strategy is well, is the increase in legisl
of fraud and some claiming, reportedly including trump himself, that he ll be reinstated in due course. four years of trump have led to the republican party becoming a threat to democracy, a declining sect dominated by crackpots, charlatans and cowards. of these, it s the cowards, including the senators who killed last week s legislation, who bear most of the blame. joining us now, political scientist and election analyst, rachael biddercoffer, and writer and journalist, matthew iglasius. i know there are many more reasons, because of the state of voters in america right now, but to get trump off their back with this commission. to really call out what happened every step of the way. drawing lines between important
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