probably will be able to make a lot of immunity deals. they are trying to go for big. fish left face. it let s take a look at what the indictments has happened between june 22nd and 27th of 2022. june 22nd, trump gets a draft subpoena for surveillance video. june 20, third he calls carlos de oliveira, his maintenance, supervisor and they spoke for 24 minutes. june 20, for the final subpoena arrives, and we get a message that trump wants to see, him not touching just his plans in travels to mar-a-lago. june 20, fifth nauta s ledge to have met de oliveira and walk around pointing to different surveillance cameras. june 27th, de oliveira takes employee number four into an audio closet. he is alleged to have told him, the boss wanted the server deleted. a few hours later, not a de oliveira walk through the bushes to an adjacent property to chat. a couple of hours after that, trump called de oliveira. how do you interpret this charles? is it hard evidence that trump
retention and two additional counts of obstruction. for a grand total of 40 criminal counts. trump s personal aide walt nauta saw at the same to obstruction charges in addition to the 60 already faced in the initial indictment. and now, there is a third defendant, mar-a-lago property manager carlos dead live europe. he s been indicted on for charges including conspiracy to obstruct justice and he will be on court on monday. the details behind these new charges are astounding. picture it, mar-a-lago, june 2022. fbi agents arrive on june 3rd to begin collecting classified documents from trump s storage room. they notice nearby surveillance cameras. on june 22nd, the justice department since trump s lawyers a draft subpoena for that footage. and then a flurry of activity, starting with the very next day, when the former president calls de oliveira, and they speak for 24 minutes. the day after that call, the
public perception is extremely important, you want people to trust the rule of law in our country. carley: i understand perception, legally, he ordered head of maintenance to delete footage federal officials were asking to look at, that sounds like serious allegation to me. is there avenue where he could fight that? well, the charge is specifically what is known as an attempt crime, which means you attempted to do something, but you didn t succeed, according to the indictment and allegations, there were conversations about whether or not to delete security footage that arose after a draft, i repeat draft subpoena was somehow made aware of a draft subpoena involving the tapes. yes, i don t think it looks great that this were to happen. attempt crime requires not just there be intent to commit a crime, but substantial step
harry, what does this tell you? how incriminaing is it? this is stuff we already knew from the first indictment, andrea. it shows clearly he knows there are rules here, he is breaking them. i think the separate piece, superseding sounds like it s a little bit of an add-on, we have a whole conspiracy to obstruct justice and it s about i would say it s the most mob-like behavior that i have ever seen from the trump organization. as soon as it happens, you have de oliveira going to employee number four saying, can we get rid of this? the next day, as soon as they find out that there is a they received a draft subpoena that says we re going to want the security footage, a 25-minute
prosecutors really don t have a choice other than to walk away, and they re not inclined to do that. that s how people like mr. nauta, a low level valet, and mr. de oliveira, a property manager, end up in a criminal indictment with mr. trump, the former president of the united states. here s what else i make of it. they made really bad choices when they decided to lie to the fbi and obstruct justice. it may not be too late for a good attorney to help each of them salvage it. they can still tell the truth, and they can still minimize any damage to themselves. whether or not that happens, willie, we ll see. so, ken dilanian, as you look through this superseding indictment, a new character is introduced, as chuck said. this is mr. de oliveira. he is 56 years old, the head of maintenance at mar-a-lago, a property manager, effectively there, who was pulled into all of this by donald trump. just last summer, june 22nd, 2022, when the doj emailed trump s attorneys a draft