joined now by the man who did that interview, npr s steve ins dpre inskeep from washington and hillary clinton in the general election. steve inskeep, interesting when i listen to president obama use the line he did with you saying democrats need to go everywhere, because usually it s coupled with the fact that he believes he did that when he flan 2008 and 2012. knows he went everywhere in iowa. in fact, he says he did it in 2004 run forge senate in illinois. went to places he said democrats didn t normally go, and the subtext there is that hillary clinton didn t. absolutely. he did not directly criticize hillary clinton in this interview but made some of the points you just did, john. and it s certainly true in 2008, for example, the future president was way out in the far western tip of virginia, which is a very conservative area, a very white area, and he didn t expect to win those counties but