they don t find anyone guilty or innocent. their decisions don t tell us what happens. that is true when they indict or don t. a prominent example was the response to the rams game demonstration by the st. louis police department that said because the grand jury found no probable cause to indict wilson, than anyone putting hands up to cite brown s possible surrender was, quote, pushing a narrative that has been disproven. no. that is simply not what the ferguson grand jury did. grand juries don t disprove anything. they decide whether there s enough evidence to go to a tlil. here s another obvious rule many people are breaking. in a homicide investigation, the testimony of the potential suspect alone does not establish the facts. the suspect is under pressure to save his career or his life. his views are less credible than any independent testimony or evidence. and yet the lessons are really basic. don t rob a convenience store. don t fight a policeman when he stops you and tries t
jon: protests nationwide over the ferguson grand jury decision not to indict national review editor rich lowery causing a stir with comments he made on nbc s meet the press. take a look. what i really object to you can discuss all the problems but let s not pretend this particular incident was something it wasn t. if you look at most credible evidence, the lessons are really basic. doesn t rob a convenience store. don t fight a policeman when he stops you and trito take his gun. when he yells at you to stop with his gun drawn, just stop. whoa. jon: well, the panelists got really outraged at rich over those comments. joining us alan colmes, host of the alan colmes show. radio talk show host tammy bruce. welcome to both of you. talk about the way this has been covered in the media. tammy, you say that this is, well, the op ed piece that you wrote suggests for president obama and his cronies,
this is about unconscious bias and regardless of the fact that michael brown wasn t a saint, if you re not a saint, do you still deserve to be treated fairly under the law? we have got to get to place in this country where young black men feel safe when they are interacting with the police. if they feel their life is in danger, they actually welcome the police instead of the other way around. and that is what we need to get to, not focus on al sharpton. i want to play a quick sound bite from rich lowery on one of the sunday shows and kevin, get your reaction. if you look at the most credible evidence the lessons are really basic, don t rob a convenience store. don t fight a policeman and when he stops and take his gun. when he says yell, with his gun drawn, just stop. martha: andrea mitchell said, whoa, hold on. what do you think about it? hard to believe, andrea we would want to enforce rules of law and teach our children they need to respect law and things
the fundamental issue is not even necessarily michael brown. it is that this keeps happening to black men. it s that whole issue of driving while black. as long as black people continue to feel you cannot walk down the street without coming under suspicion, this anger is going to continue. that was new york times reporter helene cooper on meet the press yesterday. moments later that divide was on full display. if you look at the most credible evidence, the lessons are really basic. don t rob a convenience store, don t fight a policeman when he stops you and try to take his gun and when he yells at you to stop with his gun drawn, just stop! jamelle, let me just first go