Voters that will want to reward republicans. you saw it in virginia. i mean, youngkin tried to dance a very delicate dance but i think the signal that most voters deposit got in virginia if not nationally was he was kind of mitt romney 2.0. yeah, and shay, i mentioned this. welk throw it back on the screen. i mentioned in the set up, that there are signs that there is less interests. i think we all know in 2015 or 2016, a donald trump news center or blog would have felt larger and bigger and certainly would have been boosted by twitter ask other things. and you sigh this. i am going to lachb this up while you talk. this is a crash for donald trump. interest in what he is saying and doing. it is. but let me take a little bit of a contrary view to this. i total hi agree, the metrics are very real. trump s influence has waned. it is declieping. that is all very true. the problem is that he is
And it s less interesting. we tell you something. know governing requires a lot more than slogans or tweets and that former president is not even allowed to tweet anymore. but i will tell you the point here is one that would certainly wound the ex-blogger and ex-tweeter in florida. pause a lot of the data we have shows his shtick has become boring. now, what does everyone else do with ha? well on the democratic side, senator warren has a piece many are stusing today that ran in the new york times where she says look, there is 200 days left and she is telling her party it is time to hit accomplishments and have a clear governing leadership and message on taking on corporate power so where do we go from here? and is donald trump the most boring person in the world right now? el, a veteran of several democratic presidential campaigns, ask david plough are here and we are back in 60 seconds. rwhat you need?
We are back with former obama campaign manager david plough. welcome to both of you. good to be here, ari. great to have you. david, i am sure you read the times piece with some interest and moderate announce. real party bosses, whatever the party, um, care about the party. right? there are people who actually care about the republican party, its policies, what it wants to do. we know and i think the audience ail knows, donald trump doesn t care about policy. but it is a portrait of his strain for relevance against the metrics i ran through, that he has become, in some measurable ways, david, boring. what is the challenge and opportunity there? well, i am wholeheartedly dprae with you. i said for some time, i doubt he
Ends up running because i think, e end of the day, you can see the trend lines. in some focus groups that have been reported on republicans, even people like him say it s time for something new because they think that is eat best route to in. and what is fascinating about the pilgrimage to mar-a-lago is i believe it s quitely republicans that are most successful this november, in true swing competitive, you know, senate, dporcher, and house races, are those that show a little distance from trump. even approximate it s just time to move on, joe biden was elected but that he is not where the party is still. so, i think the risk will be what trump is doing is deeply damaging this party. you remember pack in 10 and 12, the respects left three, four, five senate races on the cutting-room floor because they nominated people that could not win general elections. and i think that some of the people trump s laying hands on may lose winnable races so that s what is fascinating. i think you s
Trump was prepared to seize the presidency, and likely to invoke the insurrection act and declare martial law. based on what he knows, your response to that? and the fact that, at every turn, trump never showed the ultimate willingness um i am not going to use a word, like, boldness. but whatever you want to call it, he didn t do some of those things when he was alone. he wanted ag or someone to cover him. your final reaction there? right i mean, congressman raskin obviously has access to information that you ask i don t. but the information we have seen shows exactly that, that trump would have done it if he could get away with it. and he enlisted or at least had the support of all sorts of people like mike lee who were plotting before, during, and after the election to try and hand trump the, you know, the the presidency even if he didn t win the actual vote or the electoral college vote. i mean, this is it doesn t