chesbrough s a judge has already set an october 23rd start date. for trump, you can expect delays, delays, delays. former trump fixer michael cohen on msnbc. donald doesn t think like a normal human being. he doesn t see for example a trial which is coming up in october. he doesn t see it as a trial coming up in october, it s eternity away because his whole life has been predicated on the process of the lay. and so october is really october of 2025. we ll figure it out how to delay it. meanwhile most codefendants plot their next move, one remains in jail, on friday a judge denied bail for harrison, he does not have a lawyer and did not reach an agreement with prosecutors before surrendering. in court he said he could not avoid a lawyer because when he spoke to said his defense could cost him up to 1000 $100, 000, that s a that he doesn t want to put his family through. he was part of a plot to pressure a worker to confessing to fraud. they re a lot of moving parts, all of this a st
are. quite possibly he doesn t over the quake electra s were. the top of this list is rudolph giuliani, john charles eastman, mark randele meadows, kenneth john cheeseborough, jeffrey bosler clark, who we try to make at the attorney general, janet lin ellis, his lawyer standing next to giuliani, he certainly knows the first six people on the list. very, very well. they ve all got stuff on him. is he not worried about that? donald doesn t think like a normal human being. he doesn t see, for example, a trial. which is coming up in october. he doesn t see it. it s eternity away. his whole life has been predicated on the process of delay. october of 2025, we will figure out how to delay it. again, you talked about it in your opening. the hope is that he s able to secure the presidency and order
pierson, former assistant district attorney and msnbc legal analyst and lisa reuben, a former litigator of msnbc legal analyst. welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us. at, least because we ve been so involved in this georgia case and things having to do with the january 6th case, i want to go back to this mar-a-lago matter in which this defendant, who was a defendant, who was unindicted coconspirator, received a target letter about this investigation and what happened? then he decided he wanted better representation, then the trump unfettered lawyers? it wasn t exactly that, ali. yes, he decided he probably want a different representation after receiving the target letter. but it was also about the special counsel s office went to court and said that his trump paid for lawyer, stanley woodward, had a conflict because he also represented walt nauta, who is a codefendants in that case. it was at that point that a judge in d.c. overseeing that
former attorney michael cohen, when i sat down with him last month. history repeats itself. one thing we know for certain is that donald does not pay legal fees. donald doesn t pay fees at all. there s a pattern to what he does. he will pay a little bit, fall behind, pay a little more, fall bigger behind. i m joined now by former white house counsel under president nixon john dean. john, good to see you again. what do you make of when you hear that rudy giuliani is going to mar-a-lago making this desperate plea? trying to get trump to pay for his legal fees and trump not really reciprocating on most of that? i think that trump is aware that during watergate for example, the payment of legal fees got lawyers in a lot of trouble, as for the joint defense agreements. the fact that he is not paying, though, is a pattern of this man, as michael just said. he just doesn t like to pay his
interesting because people pointed out mark meadows is conspicuously absent, okay, from the indictment. jared kushner is his son-in-law. you think his son in law would cooperate against donald trump? in a heartbeat. needing jared is any different than donald? do you think donald wouldn t throw jared under the bus in order to save himself? the answer is an impact to guess. you think the same is true of mark meadows? absolutely. what s the one thing bill barr said i totally agree with? donald doesn t care about anyone or anything other than himself. he is a one-way street. if that means jared has to go down to mark meadows, or rudy, where eastman, or any of them, he doesn t care. that is who he is. speaking of eastman, his attorney says that john eastman will not turn on donald trump. here is what he said earlier tonight. dr. eastman is happy to find his side of the story, to talk about the issues he thinks are