ukrai ukrainians say the drones areeq. this is a drone competition organized by ukraine s government with simulated attacks on ground targets, chasing fixed-wing drones and even drone dog fights. we were granted exclusive access on the condition we don t reveal the location. it s like a startup fair for fpv, or first-person view drones, small uavs that can drop mortars and grenades, flown by pilots wearing goggles from a makeshift trench. translator: our drones are very easy to use, especially if the pilot has flown similar drones. reporter: the stakes are immense, a general involved in drone procurement for ukraine s
and say they have more tanks and artillery but the ukrainians have the creativity of their population. it is organized by ukraine s government with simulated attacks on ground targets, chasing fixed wing drones, and even drone dog fights. we were granted exclusive access on the condition we don t reveal the location. it s like a start-up fair for fpv or first person view drones. small uavs that can drop mortars and grenades flown by pilots wearing vr goggles from a makeshift trench to simulate the battlefield. translator: our drones are very easy to use, especially if the pilot has flown similar drones. i think they will understand how they work. reporter: the stakes are immense, a general involved in drone procurement for ukraine s military tells me.
smarter. taking the good assets and leaving the toxic assets with the fdic, guess what, it s you and me. sandra: great. we are bearing that cost. he s buying, not selling. we are subsidizing. sandra: he s a great businessman. on your dime. on your dime. i m going to dig into this more with martha on her show next hour. thank you for joining us. trace. trace: russian war planes are trying to start dog fights with u.s. pilots over the skies of syria leading a top general to issue warnings about the russian s reckless behavior. sandra: this is a live look at the white house at this hour. president will try to tackle the china threat. he will be hosting the president of the philippines. we ll talk all that and more with former national security councilmember michael allen, joining us live next. can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started.
in the ukrainian offensive that we all believe is coming in a month or two whether these old russian air jets will be much use still remains to be seen they won t be great in dog fights if they get in fights with more modern russian jets. but i don t see that as being a likely future either for now, i think it s a sign that ukraine s close allies, close neighbors, want to help more, want to help them in this time of enormous difficulty, when, as the washington post story said this week, morale in ukraine is a little shaky as people struggle with this very long, bloody war. jonathan lemire, though, it s a step by step process we ve seen it before leading up to the tanks going there step by step process poland says it s going to give them tanks, push the germans to approve tanks. then the germans say, we ll do it if the americans do it. the americans approve sending