what are you hearing about this. this is a very significant development, bun that people may have expected but has not yet been confirmed until today. the wall street journal and nbc chasing this story. a grand jury impaneled means that director mueller thinks he has a lot of probable cause to move forward that crimes occurred. we don t know from the reporting whether that is of course focused acutely on the underlying crimes related to the election hacking or also the obstruction case to which he s taken an interest in. up until today, the grand juries that others have reported z on were not in washington and were not on zeroed in on these trump white house issues. let s talk about the difference between impaneling a grand jury and not. first of all, are they always narrowly focused or does it give mueller the same freedom he s had so far to take this investigation wherever it goes? what a grand jury is is a powerful investigative tool. we know it s at the most
having said that it does not tell you where the case ends. right. it does not tell you exactly on its face why they re doing it. you mentioned nbc previously reported that grand juries were used in the paul manafort investigation. that could involve financial issues or other inquiries and don t ensnare anyone for campaign activities and we want to be careful about what it means or doesn t mean. we don t know. but folks remember ken starr using that grand jury, bringing people before it and how forceful that was as an investigative process. one people want to know, when kristen welker or hallie jackson are asking questions and sarah huckabee sanders says you have to talk to the president s counsel or anybody else s counsel and we don t get responses as a media, one of the things you have underscored for some time it doesn t matter if the media doesn t get responses,
got it if they re in the media. not one person ever did anything with it. and then i thought i m going to washington, i go up there and i ve seen you there before, ali, and i thought i m going up there. i m going to see ific get a meeting with sean because he s one of the only people i know there. i get a meeting. two hours or three hours before, i can t remember, i said hey, let me see if rod can come along. i was trying to help rod meet sean, develop a relationship. and by the way, rod said he gave notes to sean spicer. not true. that s a lie. rod s lies just continue to add up. and i know i m on national television and i know what i m saying and i know it s the truth. rod has a big, big problem with the truth. ed, this as you said is a complicated story. i appreciate you coming and gives k giving us your side of it. we ll talk to you again soon, i hope. absolutely. thanks again, ali. he had ba to you ski. part of a complicated story. after the break, a real problem
of this dnc staff. an investigator now says seth rich was in contact with wikileaks before he was murdered. so, if that is true, and we don t know yet, it looks like russia didn t give it to wikileaks. it was seth rich programs. now, that story was eventually retracted by fox news. the the victim s family sent a cease and desist letter to the private investigator, a man by the name of rod wheeler. that appeared to be the end of it. part two, the private investigator rod kwheerl is now suing fox news. he said the reporter who filed the original story deliberately misquoted him to create a fake news story. the lawsuit alleges mr. wheeler s reputation is destroyed by defendants decision to did he fame him. but it s another claim that wheeler is making that s getting the attention today. that the white house and he had bow to you ski under the met work to publish the story in
that s not true whatsoever. and you can look, there s lots of info out there and ali, if my lawyer lets me, i ll senld you mig it. and you ll see, rod, this wasn t so much about the russian hacking and so on. it turngs out that what sigh hurs said, if it s true, it does did he bunk this whole russian hacking trump thing. and, you know, am i republican? yeah. okay. am i huge trump supporter? no. i m a conservative economic guy who that s what i talk about when i go on television and that s what i live by, okay. so the idea that i was pushing some narrative, rod is just out there trying to make money. this ali, this is about rod wheeler. right. divulging a story to a lady he had a crush on in washington named media reamore rock oh and she published it and rod wheeler right after that said i had blue it. he said she misquoted me. he s said so many stories. he has a huge battle with the