but at this point, don, it s a negotiation, and i think the committee will do whatever they can to get that testimony out of cipollone. john, you ve been saying on this program and to anyone who will listen that you think it s critical cipollone testifies publicly like you did. are there legitimate privilege issues that would justify him testifying in a transcribed interview limited to specific topics? or should he appear in a more public manner? i think he s got to appear in a more public manner, and i don t think there s any privileges in that area they re focusing on. we ve already had courts look at the issue. there s no attorney-client privilege for crime or fraud. cipollone i think has a larger problem. he advised the president against doing these things because there were conspiracies involved, several of them. what s to say that he s ever declared he s not part of that conspiracy? if he s remaining silent he is certainly encouraging and enabling that done conspira
are there legitimate privilege issues that would justify him testifying in a transcribed interview limited to specific topics? or should he appear in a more public manner? i think he s got to appear in a more public manner, and i don t think there s any privileges in that public area they re focusing on. we ve already had courts look at the issue. there s no attorney-client privilege for crime or fraud. cipollone i think has a larger problem. he advised the president against doing these things because there were conspiracies involved, several of them. what s to say that he s ever declared he s not part of that conspiracy? if he s remaining silent he is certainly encouraging and enabling that done conspiracy, and he could get dragged in himself. i would think he d want to be up there, don, not only for the sake of democracy but for his own sake. so this is all a little bit mysterious, his behavior. i think i heard you loud and clear but just for clarification just to make
there are frankly even more questions. and we re going to get into some of those tonight. this afternoon a federal judge ordering the unsealing of the warrant that authorized that search. and a list of what the investigators removed, allah, the receipt. now the warrant identifies three federal crimes the doj is looking into as part of a criminal investigation, including possible violations of the espionage act, obstruction of justice, and criminal handling of government records. let s be clear, no one has been charged with any of these crimes at this point, and we don t have any indication it s actually forthcoming. what we do know is that investigators removed 11 sets of classified documents from mar-a-lago, which of course is the home of the former president of the united states, donald trump, in florida. now, those unsealed documents, they show that investigators seized one set of documents marked top secret sci. what does the sci stand for? sensitive compartmented informa
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of government records. as of now, we should note no one has been charged with a crime. trump s first line of defense was to baselessly suggest the fbi may have planted evidence while in his home. plan b, trump had declassified documents before the fbi seized them. so they re both declassified and planted. does that make any sense? the espionage act does not hinge on whether documents are classified. the trump team s latest move is to blame a government agency for moving boxes of classified information to mar-a-lago claiming, quote, that s not on the president. now, new this afternoon, the democratic chairs of both the house intelligence and oversight committees have written a letter to the director of national intelligence saying they want a damage assessment and briefing regarding these documents recovered from mar-a-lago, whether they posed some sort of national security risk to the country. joining me to talk about this is the former director of national intelligence, jame