yesterday. mr. goldberg joins us from miami. so, we re just talking media savvy here. this is why this segment is important, bernie. you and i have been in the business a long time. we know how to operate on television. we know how to get our points across. barack obama, i submit to you, is president right now, because he understood how to use the television camera, how to present himself in a mass market, how to sell his point of view in a general way in the campaign. now, once he became president, it became more problematic for him. yesterday we had on display dick cheney and joe biden on television. who came across stronger? i think however i answer that, bill, however i answer it is only going to reflect my own biases. because i think people who the folks out there who think cheney came off better is almost certainly because they like cheney s point of view going in. and whoever thinks that biden came out better, it s because they like biden views going in. so, i think the reas
pointed out, as soon as the white house heard cheney was going on they trotted out biden. biden did fine. i only have a minute. who has more credibility, mary katharine on all issues, cheney or biden and why? i will give juan the last word. i think that, you know, people don t trust cheney on certain other issues. on terror, he is the tough guy. he knows what he is talking about. he has been through this for eight years. he worked on the owe. bill: not necessarily on other issues. not necessarily on other issues. this is a good one for him to be talking about and they are buying. bill: what about biden and cheney, who has more credibility, juan? i think that people like the idea that there is somebody who is a hard case when it comes to terror. but if you look at vice president cheney s numbers, he is extremely unpopular with the american people. they see him as extremist in this regard. you notice, president bush, he would be the most credible. he hasn t come out and done.
on biden. they found out, the white house did, that biden could neutralize cheney. whatever cheney said biden was talented enough on camera to neutralize him. did that happen? by the way, i think you are absolutely right about that. the white house is figuring and the answer is basically yes. i mean, if you want to call it a draw, its with a draw. here is what we know from this. that the white house is really troubled by dick cheney. the poll you showed where people agree with obama in general about terrorism, they don t agree with him about civilian trials for terrorists. they agree with cheney on that. they don t agree with him on gahannaguantanamo. they agree with cheney on that. so the white house, get this. the white house puts vice president biden on before cheney on meet the press on nbc and after cheney on face the nation on cbs. they get the first word and they get the last word. and these guys in the white house may not be good at fixing
listening, and that s what sparked the outrage. what are you talking about. these people are trying to kill us. they are terrorists, it just hence to fuel the idea that, you know what? the obama administration is not at war despite what the president said, that his words don t match the behavior and policies. i m sorry, bill. bill: should they fire brennan? should he just shut up? what should happen to him because he is hurting the president? he needs to be reigned in. bill: reigned in? he is not the spokesman. he is not the guy you want as a spokesman. let me quickly adhere in response to something mary katharine said. i don t think the man she called darth vader, dick cheney, is the best spokeman at this point for criticizing the obama administration s activities because bill: i thought darth vader was me. i thought she was calling me darth vader. [ laughter ] all he does is credit size bill: he does have credibility. he is a tough guy. and as human pointed hume
degree. i will say that biden s argument that the bush administration had tried a bunch of terror people in the civilian system and had put them in jail, but the expense of now of this is really upper most in my mind. plus, mary katharine, the 2006 law that was signed by congress, that was approved by congress, signed by bush and then re-signed by obama. that should take precedence. who had the stronger argument, mary katharine, juan said biden, brit said cheney. you say? i think the fact is that when you do look at the numbers, the white house can say they want to argue with cheney all they want. but the fact is that he moves the numbers on these issues in favor of his own arguments. and the fact that you have got, you know, darth vader arguing for those arguments and yet they seem to be succeeding with the public speaks to how much stronger his argument is. the american people like their president to be tough on terror and to sound like it. he has got at thedeputies out tn brennan