elsewhere some progressives saying he was a fan of george w. bush. and he was. he s not a partisan hack. he is one of the most aggressive judges against the detention programs at judge guan tan mow. one of the most respected judges in the country for constraints on the nsa. you couldn t have asked for a better judge. let me jump in on that. sure. and say i think there is no doubt this judge has a record of standing up to administrations of both parties and appointed by bush but on the guan tan mow case, particularly in 2008, took on that administration. rejected claims on security from both administrations. your thoughts, though, on the rejection of the precedent from the 70s. what he said was crucial. he said in 1979, the supreme court approved a very limited form of collecting one person s phone records for a limited investigation. and that has absolutely nothing to do, essentially, with what the government is doing now. which is collecting all people s phone records and the
the cliff from the video looks horrendous. it s where refugees are held while they are being processed. very controversial issue in australia. it s one of the toughest asil lum programs in the world. these detention programs are like prisons. whole families can be locked up there sometimes for years while they are being processed. so it s just raised that whole controversy again in australia. the papers down there are just full of it. horrible. being accustomed to them seeking asylum. yes. unbelievable. a horrible, horrible incident. michael holmes, thank you. sorry for the sad news. we ll get you back with some better international news. we want to remind you, we re waiting for this single measure going through the house, debating now on don t ask, don t tell. it could happen soon. we re keeping a close eye on that. also, are more teenagers do
iraq before that is well acquainted with intelligence gathering. well, yes yes that s very true but from a consumer s point of view, and that s important, i don t want to take anything away from that, but i think what we need now, i think, is to get back to the point where we ve got someone in there with an operator s point of view. we have to remember, when panetta was named to take over the cia i believe in february 2009, there were very clear reasons why they wanted the distance and the separation. they wanted to bring in an outsider and panetta had been chief of staff to clinton, he had been a congressman, head of omb, and he had close ties to the white house. now, that s important. that relationship with the white house is important. but they wanted a separation, because of all the controversy over the interrogation and detention programs. they had a very short list of a couple of very, very capable intelligence professionals, individuals who had been in the cia, but the dec