my first reaction, which is just a personal one, and i a encounter this like all of us have like, right, yes, i am not crazy. if this wasn t a crime, nothing is a crime. we watched him do it on television. we sat at this desk a year ago at the january six committee, we knew what he was doing. if that s not a crime, that nothing is a crime. that part of his just like, i find it really important and gratifying. there is a kind of balance to it. yes, yes, of course this was corrupt. of course this was fraud, of course there was a conspiracy to defraud the u.s.. we all saw him engage in the conspiracy to defraud the u.s.. the second thought i had is about the magnitude of this moment, which i think is just worth taking a second on. with donald trump, lots of things are unprecedented. the first time he was indicted was unprecedented and the second time was indicted was unprecedented because of the federal indictment had never come down. this is in the canon of american events, january six
out from the oval office, and directed by an american president. joining us now to discuss all of this are my beloved colleagues, lawrence o donnell, chris hayes, alex wagner, remember, joy reid is with us from watching, it we ve got andrew weissmann here helping us as well. chris, let me go to you first on this. you ve had as much time as i had to absorb it. i know there s been a lot of reaction already, we ve had reaction from a lawyer for the president and everything. overall, how are you feeling about your expectations for this versus what it has turned out to be? my first reaction, which is just a personal one, and i a and having covered this, like all of us have, and like the viewers to, right, yes, i m not crazy. if this wasn t a crime, nothing is a crime. we watched him do it on television. we sat at this desk a year ago at the january 6th committee, we knew what he was doing. if that s not a crime, that nothing is a crime. that part of it is just like, i find it really impor
going mark, he was standing in the hallway going into mark, he was standing in the hallway going into the oval office dining room going into the oval office dining room. they had a brief conversation in the room. they had a brief conversation in the crossfire is, i heard briefly what in the crossfire is, i heard briefly what they in the crossfire is, i heard briefly what they were talking about. in the background, i had heard conversations at that point talking about conversations at that point talking about the conversations at that point talking about the hang mike pence chance. the clip about the hang mike pence chance. the clip ended with you saying you heard the president, mr meadows and the white house council the chance to hang mike pence. then you describe what happened next. it describe what happened next. it wasn t until mark hung up the phone, handed wasn t until mark hung up the phone, handed it wasn t until mark hung up the phone, handed it back to
covering these kinds of stories. i say these kinds of stories because there have only been a couple, the next story now this trump story. compared to your discovery of this seven and a half hour gap to when you discovered there was an 18 and a half minute gap on the nixon tapes? how did you feel about those two moments? you feel that trying to be a reporter and try to get more information. make sure you confirmed the accuracy of it, and then ask the question that always lingers, what does this mean? in the case of nixon, if you recall, rosemary woods, his secretary, said she accidentally erased it. there was a famous picture of her stretching to reach the pedal on her desk a racing the
moderate democrats in swing districts. also on pelosi s desk a pro-labor deal touted as the most comprehensive labor bill in decades. the usmca was signed last year but needs legislative approval in the united states and the new canadian parliament which begins tomorrow displan thank you. shannon. the next guest says this will provide worker rights on both side of the border. texas governor greg abbott. a lot of debate about getting this thing done held up on political ground or if there is work to be done. forbes.com had the headline what is the big rush on usmca?