it's a balancing test. you don't want the jury to convict this defendant so you look for prior bad acts that go to whether a person puts his own interest ahead of society. that's the phrase. >> donald trump? well, i mean just like the person we're describing here like those he put his own interest over the interest of society? >> never thought of it that way. it's a 50-year-old case. we also see the line over and over but what you do is you are looking for crimes that go to theft, fraud, lying. >> as it just crimes? >> it doesn't have to be convictions. it can be bad acts in their life that go to this particular