subpoenas and search warrants, the department has made it clear that it s pursuing at least two related lines of inquiry that could lead to mr. trump. one centers on those so-called fake electors. the other lines of justice department inquiry centered on the effort by a trump era justice department official, jeffrey clark, to pressure georgia officials not to certify the states election results. now today, we get this news which strikes me as an honest news, that marc short and greg jacobs, to individually testified to the committee and very high ranking, the highest ranking, you know, people in pence world, essentially. they went before a federal grand jury on friday. how significant is that do you think? i think very significant. because it starts to answer the question, what s the justice department doing? right. the justice department is investigating what went on in the lead up to january 6th. so incessantly they want to talk to the two people who were
i think that is some of what we re seeing here, where the department is much more plotting. it has far different restrictions on it than the committee does. it can t just throw evidence out there. it can t openly talk about an ongoing investigation. it s discouraged from doing so. the committee can put hearsay in their hearings. they can put it out, release whatever information they want. they just put more evidence out yesterday to tell the narrative that they re trying to tell. obviously in a courtroom the ability to present evidence like that is far more challenging. there are far more hurdles that a prosecutor would have to overcome. so there s a disconnect between the public s expectations about, well, what s really going on here. the committee has painted this picture, what is the justice department doing, and garland was forced to con front those questions last week. it s interesting, ali vitali,
intruders. i would view that as a cover-up that stephen miller and the former president of the united states engaged in to make it seem like the president had not engaged in a coup and he actually was against what happened on january 6th and that was actually part of the planned speech, and that s the kind of thing that we want to see the department doing is interviewing those people and issuing grand jury subpoenas and if necessary putting those people in the grand jury and forcing them to testify and account for their actions, and i think that that happened we would be quite aware of it. i think that they re not defense lawyers who would be squawking and revealing to the public and reporters that that was going on. so i m waiting to see that kind of aggressive action by the department. andrew, what you said is really important to make sure that we all understand and our viewers understand, the reason that we can say with some confidence that we know that donald trump himself and hi
information about this that therapy able to get through. and what was also fascinating, cary, and i want your thoughts on this. jeffre jeffrey clark who was totally unqualified was roaming around the justice department doing the president s bidding very dramatically behind the scenes. well, he was an acting-assistant attorney general of an entire component of the department of the civil division. so i don t want people to have the impression that he was some low-level attorney in the department. what is absolutely completely unprecedented is the fact that he was going behind the justice department s leadership, meeting directly with the president. that doesn t happen. you can t do that. exactly. that doesn t happen and so highly unusual, and that s why we we saw former-acting attorney general rosen testify the way that he did today when he found out about it. and can we add that also on the white house call logs, they were already referring to jeffrey clark as the a acting a
these cities? oh, i think biden will be connected to that. the question is, is he going to exert leadership? what does he have the justice department doing? are they out there rounding up gang members and getting handguns and young kids doing thousands of murders in the cities? or are they off doing basically political work rather than work the people really care about with criminals on the streets? i think biden could make a huge difference if he directed the policy machine towards these problems directly in these cities. dana: we ll see if he does that. so far not so much. kellyanne and mark. thank you so much. have a good day. bill: tonight and tomorrow maybe, right, california, tomorrow, right? tiger woods saying thanks but no thanks turning down nearly a billion dollars to join a brand-new rival golf league that is backed by the saudis. greg norman creator of the