whining, complaining all this stale maga stuff that nobody even knows what he s talking about and has no meeting and then starts launching into class warfare about tax cuts, which, by the way, the trump tax cuts were enormously successful for middle income people. it was, look, this is this is going to this debt ceiling stuff is going to be a front page story. we re running short of revenues. the day is coming when the treasury department cannot stop borrowing anymore. so joe biden has gone now. what did you say? seventy six . they will not talk about. he will not talk to . i mean, they should have a cup of coffee, a diet coke, go to a drive in movie, do something for christ s. he won t do it. so it s utterly irresponsible. and they just want to say, carthy speech, just hang on one second. mccarthy speech. right. so put s caps on spending,
branch. they cannot really reach into the executive branch and pull out everything they want. there is a standoff that continues often whenever congress tries to get information. with this circumstance, a criminal investigation is the justice department s doing. they would be looking into their own branch of government and justice department criminal investigations have gotten lots and lots of information that they want, including around past presidencies. there is nothing that is here that would say the justice department cannot get anything out of tens. they have gotten information out of his top deputies. with the past, the nixon and reagan presidency, all of those presidencies have been times where the justice department was able to both, investigations and look into them. vice president pence published a book. inside the book, it details some of his interactions with former president donald trump as trump tried to overturn the 2020 election. might that undermine any potential cl
justice department s doing they will be looking into their own branch of government and also justice department criminal investigations have historically gotten lots and lots of information that they wanted, including around past presidencies there is nothing that is here that would say that the justice department cannot get out of pence they have already gotten information out of his top deputies and in the past, the nixon presidency, the clinton presidency, even the reagan presidency, all of those presidencies have been tied where the justice department has been able to build criminal investigations and look into them caitlin, vice president pence just published a book, a book tour, inside some of the details with his interactions of the former president, donald trump, as he tried to overturn the 2020 election. might that undermine and a potential claim of executive privilege or? look, donald trump is the person who could try and claim privilege and fight it. mike pence in his ow
d. i think that s going to be again, a compelling part of this story that the justice department cannot turn its eyes away from and has been reported in the atlantic and elsewhere. they seemingly are prepared to take that leap of faith that they got the goods and they re ready to put it in front of a grand jury. joyce vance, what is your sense of where that process stands, whether anyone like cassidy has taken that step? has she been before a grand jury, mike? not sure. what would that process be, joyce, and what would it explain why she hasn t if she hasn t? so of course we know because we ve talked about it a lot that doj operates when it s operating correctly behind this wall so that the public doesn t know what s going on. there are a lot of reasons for that. there are good reasons and they re frustrating for us in this situation. but it s impossible to believe that at this point, doj isn t reaching out to witnesses like
are not pleased. but take us through the key elements of judge cannon s ruling and how this is expected to proceed because it s being widely criticized by legal experts. that s right. the justice department tried to offer a modest compromise here and the judge rejected it and doubled down on the view that the national security division of the justice department cannot be trusted to say what is and isn t classified and to say what is and isn t appropriate or the used in a criminal investigation, materials that they ve seized under a lawful search warrant. what she s saying is the special master has to review all the documents, all 11,000 including the 100 or so classified documents. she has rejected the doj s request that she stay the part of her order and allow them to use the classified documents currently right now in their criminal investigation. she said they still cannot do that. she said, for example, they haven t shown her there s any imminent harm to national security as they