fishermen outfits and a whale. but the point we re trying to dramatize here is sort of denialism about the consequences of breaching the debt ceiling, do you think the denialists have a point? or do you think a breach of the debt ceiling would be catastrophic? this is reckless, mistakes happen, accidents happen. the closer we get, the more likely we are to have this kind of an accident. alexander hamilton must be rolling over in his grave right now. to think that you would threaten to default or to say we go over this debt limit, where the constitution says you shouldn t put the public debt in doubt, that they re playing this reckless, irresponsible game, and that they have done it before, it s not the first time, it s as the president said, it s irresponsible. if we did breach the debt ceiling, obviously we don t know how long it would last for or
this is increasingly becoming the new republican normal. denialism about the consequences of breaching the debt ceiling? i just wanted you to respond to melody. yeah. i would say no. do you think the denialists have a point? the denialists, man. they kept saying they believe in nothing. or do you think that a breach of the debt ceiling would be catastrophic? this is reckless. we all really enjoy that. let s get right to our panel and joining us now, krystal ball. and jonathan capehart. i am fascinated in a lot of ways. the extent, krystal, could which they can hang on to a delusion is remarkable. and up until now what you have seen is republicans insisting they can get rid of the affordable care act, law of the land, but they can get rid of it by shutting down the government. now that that hasn t happened, they re still not backing down. why? it s unbelievable. and it s hard to fathom. i think the person who was the most honest about this was that
profess professor, the former chief of economic advisors, thank you very much for being with us. my pleasure. i m sorry i had to introduce you with a long story involving forecastermen, outfits and a whale. but the point we re trying to dramatize here is sort of denialism about the consequences of breaching the debt ceiling, do you think the denialists have a point? or do you think a breach of the debt ceiling would be catastrophic? this is reckless, mistakes happen, accidents happen. the closer we get, the more likely we are to have this kind of an accident. alexander hamilton must be rolling over in his grave right now. to think that you would threaten to default or to say we go over this debt limit, where the constitution says you shouldn t put the public debt in doubt, that they re playing this reckless, irresponsible game, and that they have done it before, it s not the first time, ooil it s as the president said, it s
if we get india and china not working with us, all we ll do is ship millions of american jobs just overseas. just last week congressman david mckinley of west virginia defending his state s dependency on big coal used the new brand of denialism to combat the obama administration s plan to carb carbon pollution. china,oscopyia, russia and europe are all expanding their use of coal. the administration is embarking now on a new global initiative, exporting uncertainty. these arguments come from the very same people who espouse the virtues of american exceptionalism. and yet when it comes to the single greatest challenge we face as a planet, the american exceptionalism crowd is advocating we outsource things to china and india. or, to use another phrase, lead from behind. but the fact of the matter is this problem won t be solved unless the u.s. takes a leadership role, and the denialists know this.
that is why denialism 2.0 is so devilishly clever and unquestionably dangerous. rather than resting on a principle that is fundamentally false, it rests on one that is fundamentally true. the solution is global. and by playing this game and telling the other guys to go first, denialists are essentially trying to convince americans that there isn t any possibility for a consensus. those same dead-enders who are holding their own government hostage in a play for political dwayne are threatening the entire global community with the exact same tactics, obstructing any kind of discussion or solution and placing blame on others. we ve all seen joining me now is kumi, the executive director of greenpeace international. we also have christina fregara who runs the climate process at the u.n. and its current incarnation and former secretary of the interior, ken salazar joining me from washington. mr. salazar, i d like to ask you first in the most blunt terms