court on tuesday charged with seven counts of lying to congress, obstruction and witness tampering. he was not charged though with conspiring against the united states but his indictment reveals a clearer picture of potential ties between the trump campaign and wikileaks. joining me is former trump campaign adviser sam nunberg great to have you with me right here. thank you. this is the first time you heard those words from roger stone as he stepped out moments ago. what are your thoughts calling in an ainge jus overreach by mr. mueller and saying his dogs are traumatized? it seemed it was pretty aggressive that they raided roger s house like that from what i understand was 39 fbi agents and that they came there early in the morning which fine, is routine. but knowing roger, was expecting to be indicted i am sure that he would have gone to he was not going to flee the country, nor was he going to destroy anything
trump. could it be donald trump who instructed them in that later paragraph? it could be, but i don t know. but yes, it could be. there is a paragraph in the indictment that says they were instructed by a senior campaign official to go back to no, it says a senior campaign not to correct it s like the senior campaign official was instructed to go back right, right. and they made sure to not and that s at the same paragraph where they re extremely particular in writing senior campaign official contacted, senior cam it could be. who else would roger stone have had a personal relationship with besides donald trump himself on that campaign well, in that time frame, things were a lot different. and going through just to understand, once paul manafort got in to the campaign, first under the auspices that he was going to help trump during the campaign, and then basically it looked as if roger was going to roger and i were going to get what we wanted right.
along with the director of national security and the director of national intelligence and had said to the nation that the united states was attacked and that the information that was stolen by russia was being used in a disinformation warfare campaign intended to impact the election. at any time did you or roger stone ever have pause to think, hey, wait a minute, we may be part of an operation which is being carried out by a foreign government like the president and the national intelligence community are asserting, or was it just your loyalty to donald trump at that time superseded any thought of defending the constitution malcolm, first off, i had nothing to do with it. i was sued in july they have e-mails. i did not say very nice things about donald trump up until around the day before, up until around the second debate or so i was fine with him winning the election, but i had one, i had nothing to do with it. i endorsed ted cruz.
i was sued number two, i told roger, one of the reasons i warned him about this was because he was making himself a target but number three, i would also just say, roger conspired against himself here, because he did not get what he wanted he may have he would have, i think, but he didn t. we re out of time, but i have to ask you this question, sam, and one of our viewers is asking this as well if you knew these to be bad people or disloyal people who you don t seem at this point to have much regard for, why did you spend so much time worrying with them? because that wasn t the way it was when i worked for trump from 2011 to mid-2015. this started for me when i made the decision to not be campaign manager because i wouldn t be a good campaign manager. it s not what i do i m not an operations guy. what about stone? they were notorious for years. roger stone, why did you hang out with him roger, we were very close at that point roger and i i did a lot of work with roger, and
roger s in a relationship with trump has been so interconnected that it s hard to define what s roger and what s donald whether it would be clearly a trump presidency, i think it s influenced by stone s philosophy roger s relationship with trump, they both see the world in a very similar way if trump is elected president, i think roger will see one more very significant impact he s had on world history. all right my panel is back with me as we discuss the indictment of longtime trump confidante roger stone. we re talking about the julian assange sort of factor in all of this and you had a question for sam. sam, you ve said in the past many times that you ve talked to roger stone 15 times a day. frequently, yes. and roger stone has said multiple times that he talked to trump regularly and constantly, you know and you ve had this e-mail exchange with roger where it s