very clear in this period where he s trying to get e-mails, august 4th e-mail 2016, where he s saying, yes, hillary clinton s up by 15 points, but that won t last. mm-hmm. what knowledge did you have of how many conversations he was having directly with donald trump during this time i don t want to go specifically into it because of my grand jury testimony in the case for the united states, but i will say that in and of itself tells me something. but what i will say is that they did talk frequently, but it was less frequent towards the end of the campaign because of the way the campaign was operated manafort was no longer there and bannon and kellyanne and allies, lewandowski. but i believe they had some conversations in october, but that s up to roger in the first week of august were they having conversations i would think so. i would think so. would roger stone have been in a position to know, since he
people may not always think big themselves but they can get excited by those who do. a little hyperbole never hurts people want to believe something is the biggest and greatest. it s an innocent form of exaggeration and effective form of production. promotion. sorry, promotion. i think that s fundamentally true exactly. people want to think big and why donald trump as an idea for a lot of voters this will make our country big. when it comes to governing a country, making a promise like stringing a medieval wall acros the southern border that is unfeasible and somebody who is a builder should know it s unfeasible, his supporters are married to this idea, how do you break people of a big idea once even the person per vaing it understand it is not possible? could he tell them it is not possible you know, i don t think you can break the core of the base i watched ann coulter on bill
i am proud to shut down the government for border security i will take the mantle and shut it down. i m not going to blame you for it. joining me is maria inhossa, and tara dadowel, business and political consultant, barbara rest, former vice president at the trump organization, author of alone on the 68th floor and david johnson, founder of d.c. report.org and author of it s even worse than you think. certainly the shutdown was even worse than anybody thought it would be i want to come to you on this first. a couple of you at this table know donald trump personally the pain that donald trump caused, we were talking to tony schwartz and he talked about the tactic that sometimes donald trump would use to empty a building, allowing misery to take hold in the building and making the building unlivable so the tenants would essentially take themselves out of the building. yes. evict themselves. does it surprise you that donald trump would use that same kind
but roger but then donald trump called roger when he was about to make the move because it was essentially pushing cory to the side. right. said explain to me what s going on with this convention, could i really lose the delegates at that point? now remember, that s a point where donald trump even won the state of louisiana in the primary but got less delegates than ted cruz. so they re worried about delegates. was there any indication in your mind that one of the reasons that the campaign wanted paul manafort was his experience, his very particular experience in dirty campaign tricks, to be blunt? because that s what roger stone self-identifies himself as being expert in. did the trump campaign want manafort because of his history of doing dirty tricks in places like ukraine in elections? no, i don t believe so. i believe they wanted just for delegates? for the convention. he came in there as the convention manager he came in there as the convention manager trump was l
and donald trump was a developer in new york so he had to be familiar with what goes on in terms of the corruption with the labor unions and, you know, this 5% mob tax that goes on, everything that s built in new york, so he s been familiar with that kind of behavior. if you watch the hand movements that kind of hand stuff that goes on back and forth, that s sort of reminds me of watching some of the guys we used to deal with looking at what s going on now you start to wonder saying, is he taking the same behavior and bringing it over into the oval office because i think what sam nunberg said yesterday that roger stone, you re not donald trump, you can t intimidate people like donald trump, you re not the president, so those birds of a the feather who flock together you see the same pattern going on. the idea there was a time in new york city when there was this sort of emblematic idea of corruption of municipal corruption, donald trump s