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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:20:00

billion a month at the height of the afghan conflict, trying to equip and permit a country with modern armed forces. the scale of our support it seems to me at this phase of the war the earlier phase i understand where we were and it was magnificent. now they ve got to redouble their efforts. but it can t just be cautious shoving small amounts of equipment into ukraine. they probably need 500 m-1 tanks. we have 3,000. we can do that. anti-ship missiles, the brits have got to not be working on it. they have to get the anti-ship missiles into the fight. i noticed admiral kirby called them coastal defense missiles. we are still wrapped up in defensive versus offensive tactical operations. that s nonsense. i have seen a lot of people killed, it was never apparent whether it was a defensive or

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:19:00

the kind of quantity extra that is needed by the ukrainians? ought we to be doubling the flow of arms into ukraine, tripling the flow of arms into ukraine in order to equip them to repel a second offensive? what is it specifically they need? what s the blockage to them getting that spigot opened? i think a lot of the blockage is political and understandable. nato at 30 is a cautious organization. they have different viewpoints, domestic audiences. the french, you know, election is in the offing here. the far right is a pro russian group. so there are extremely concerning political movements at work in europe. having said that, again, i point out we just announced with great pride we did $300 million additional support for ukraine. $300 million versus $9 billion a month during the war in iraq. i think it was $7 billion or $8

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:50:00

in this case there s no reason that this woman, this incredibly brilliant and qualified judge, should not be receiving a much, much larger amount of support from all u.s. senators. when it comes to lindsey graham, there can be very little argument that he probably demonstrates the most hypocritical and just great level of ridiculous contradiction in the fact just a year ago this was an incredibly qualified judge in order to ascend to the federal circuit. now all of a sudden you are worried about an activist judge. right. this is nothing but political grandstanding and everyone seems to know it, but it seems like everyone is simply okay with it. it has gotten so harsh. you know, a lot of our viewers didn t like it at the time, but when brett kavanaugh was up and suddenly we were talking about rape rooms in washington, d.c. high school parties. mika, you grew up in the suburbs of washington, d.c. were there rape rooms? you know, like michael avenatti

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 11:23:00

now they ve had significant combat losses, particularly in their leadership. they re conscripting new soldiers. they re bringing in allegedly mercenaries from the wagner group. they re allegedly recruiting syrians who are a murderous lot themselves and bringing them into the fight. they re trying to refit these organizations and move them hundreds of miles to a new attack access. i m not too sure they will be able to pull this off. this is their period of vulnerability. the ukrainians have to go after them now, not next year. that includes going after the russian navy in the black sea and sea of azov. secretary blinken, who has lead for the approval of foreign military sales and in the international communities, he and secretary austin have to step up and do it and the president has to back them and bust through domestic concerns. all right. retired four star army general

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:25:00

right. they weren t really advancing on it. when you look at this map, if they re to lose down here in the southern part and barely keep this ribbon along the sea of azof, it is a very small corridor, a very small land bridge. separately, i think putin thinks he has to take this part, the donetsk part of donbas. if he doesn t take the western part of eastern ukraine he has nothing to show for it. he tried to win everywhere and lost. now he is trying to win just in one place and i m not sure he can take it, because now you also will see ukrainian military be able to focus. the ukrainian military was defending everywhere. now they can do counteroffensive in one spot and focus a lot of their energies to the east. now, logistically it is a totally different fight for the ukrainians. this isn t dismounted folks with javelins and stingers. now we need armor, trucks, convoys, much more significant combat power. i think it is all about momentum and the will to fight at this point. the ukra

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