now. although it is very tough. so is this if it becomes just a war of attrition with russia just slamming missiles into cities, and you know, ukrainian fighters fighting valiantly and pushing back on the ground, how does that resolve? where does that go? well, there are going to be some key points. i think we re seeing some of that right now. mariupol is the perfect example. it is exactly like if you if any of your listeners want to look at the battle of grozny chechnya in december of 1994 to 95, it s exactly the same tactics and operations the russian forces used there. that s terrifying. one city of a smaller size with less people. so what we re seeing is they can t hold kyiv, kharkiv, mariupol, attempt to gain in odesa or some of the kerr
there, i would suggest in seeing the smoke coming out of that, those are not artillery rounds falling, anderson. those are things burning. and i would bet that it s the ukrainians that are actually having an effect on the russian forces in and around kyiv and some of the other major places. remember, we re four weeks into this. other than mariupol, which has been really destroyed, russia has not taken any other city. and that s just phenomenal based on the objectives that putin had. stunning. lieutenant jural mark hertling, thank you. more on the senate confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee ketanji brown jackson. back now from dinner break. we ll take you there live next. . like the “visit a doctor anywhere our rv takes us” plan. the “zero copays means more money for rumba lessssons” pla. and the “visit my doctor while eating pancakes” plan.
when he heard bombing, he hid under the bed. i told him don t be afraid. it s just thunder. natalia beds down every night in an indoor basketball court. translator: i m not so well, says natalia, who led a choir back home. i m nervous. i m worried about my parents and my friend who has parents in mariupol whom she hasn t heard from for 20 days. she shows us video of a performance before the war shattered their lives. the choir has gone silent. the light at the end of this tunnel is receding. at first people thought it would last a week says her husband bogdan. they say hang on, don t lose hope. now we hope for best but prepare for the worst. and so the painful exodus west goes on. this train bound for hungary, this farewell perhaps final.
was 2,358. but we should understand that this number is a week ago. it is terrible. deputy mayor, if you can deputy mayor, can you hear me? i think we lost the connection. i want to give it one more second. any chance we can re-establish? that was the deputy mayor of mariupol sergei orlov saying the death count was 2300, but that was a week ago. it is certainly much higher than that at this point. he does say the bombs are falling every 10 to 15 minutes there, describes the situation where a lot of people are having a hard time finding hope and doesn t know what the future will hold at this point. i should also note and i was about to ask him, when we have spoken to him last, the deputy mayor hasn t been able to contact his own parents for weeks at this point.
bombing from 50 bombs to 100 bombs. russian aircraft drops each day. another busy night. more now from sam kiley who joins us from kyiv. sam, you hear the russian spokesperson talking about people from mariupol fleeing into russia, saying they re being held hostage. i wonder what you make of that and his claims people aren t being allowed out. we have seen residents of mariupol using improvised or even unofficial humanitarian corridors to try to seek safety in other areas in ukrainian territory and some of them being shot at. yeah, i mean, the claim that people coming occupant of mariupol have gone into russian controlled areas, particularly in what used to be known as the donbas, the areas captured by russian backed rebels in 2014, are true. they re relatively low in number, we understand. these are people who have got family connections, whose russian speaking, may not be