joyce vance, professor at the alabama school of law. she is an msnbc legal analyst and david k. johnston, founder of dcreport.org. let s begin before we delve into a point that pete williams raise you had. the flip of the justice department revising the decision from 2019 to say that there is now awe legal purpose. it doesn t have to be simply legislative purpose in terms of why the tax returns should be handed over to this committee. is that a common practice or could a krit uk say that is because there is a leadership change or a political change and the department of justice under trump. they want to protect him. now it s different. i would expect that there were some criticism of this move by olc, the office of legal counsel. in reality this one is fair and
and donald himself getting to underreport or misreport their income? and we just haven t seen those yet? david k. johnston, thank you so much for joining us tonight. thank you. rebecca roy, former manhattan assistant district attorney. she worked out of the same charges that brought these charges. she s now a professor of law at new york law school, and she joins me now. rebecca, i want to start with what yoir legal advise would be if you were retained by the trump family about how much you should be talking about the case, slash essentially conceding the underlying facts and violation of law in public utterances? you know, i would try. i would try to tell them to not speak out publicly on these issues. i think part of the problem is that trump and his family have done very well in the public at spinning things so that there s a legal case and there s a case
politics should not mat tore the prosecution. law professor daniel wrote about this when he wrote being connected to a to a controversial shouldn t get you out of jail. his latest column on the prosecution of the trump board is title ld trump one law for hungry pizza thieves, another for me and he joins me now. david, let s start with this idea of the background context. you know, i think the argument that trump and his like are trying to make it like this is ridiculous, no one ever gets nailed for this. i ve covered people getting nailed for less than this. what say you? we don t prosecute very many tax crimes in this country. 440 cases were actually accepted for prosecution by the justice department last year.
white house. all the way through this are suggestions that there are more schemes that they re aware of and i m sure there are. the curious thing i find in this indictment is that if they re trying to flip allen weisselberg, he could get 15 years. the charges against him do not require any prison time. i suspect allen weisselberg and his lawyers talking about the gamble. if he goes to trial, huge efforts to try to and they ll say, you get probation. so what. that may not be enough to flip him. but there are hints that his son, barry, who works in the trump organization among others might become the subjects of future indictments and, of course, latisha james, the state attorney general, although she generally only has civil authority one of her powers is she can dissolve the trump organization. all right, david cay johnston, iyla, thanks to the
after leading not guilty yesterday. both weisselberg and the trump organization charged. their next court date is set for september 20th. joining me now is reporter and co host of nyc podcast trump inc. which ended earlier this year and david k. johnston columnist and author of the making of donald trump. great to have both of you with us. let s begin with you. help us understand where this investigation goes next and what are the larger implications for the broader trump organization, if you will. how damaging could it be for the company to face these indictments? well, it could be very damaging for them. the trump organization depends on bank loans. they depend on government contracts in many cases and they have golf courses on public land and they have hundreds of millions of dollars in bank loans that may have other