higher court review this. he says it could take as many as six months for this thing to get worked out, but he s also warning the government, you have been put on notice that your program could be unconstitutional, and you ought to start taking steps now just in case my ruling gets upheld by a higher court and you may have to, you know, take action based on this ruling. yep. it s a step in the direction of a real problem from the national security agency, but not there yet, brooke. okay, no surprise this will go to a higher court. but fascinating that we re now hearing this unconstitutional ruling, specifically from this district court judge. want to broaden out the conversation. david surhoda, our political commentator, and ben. we have talked about edward snowden multiple times on the show. when i heard fourth amendment, this is what you have been, you know, saying over and over and
fourth amendment. true heroes don t have to go to america s biggest enemies to find a place to live if they re such great heroes. that s called being a fraud and a traitor. they say thank you for blowing the whistle against crime. a hero in a country says thank you for blowing the whistle against crimes against the institution. it s amazing guys, let me take the heroes out it. i m curious, just for fun, david, first to you. if edward snowden were to come back to the united states and that asylum would be granted, what would he do? job wise? i don t know what he we do. that s a good question. i don t know what kind of deal he would cut. what do you think he should do? he s offered up enough information to convict a lot of people in the united states government potentially and potentially reform the nsa. even president obama who has been embarrassed by the disclosures said it has exposed
and his narcicisstic interview when he wanted to become famous with that reporter months ago. otherwise, they wouldn t have taken the political risk of housing him in russia if they knew everything he had because he gave it up in a report. that s beyond whistleblowing. that s called committing a crime against your country. facing espionage charges, david. my response is i find it interesting that a conservative, an alleged conservative would berate a whistle blower for revealing crimes against the fourth amendment. i m a true conservative. they would not offer him a safe passage back to his country without amnesty or a safe passage to another country. blaming him for being in russia is simply absurd. it has exposed major and systemic crimes against the government. and people who berate him are taking the side of crimnms and taking the side of violating the
constitution. and conservatives, at least the ones i know, are not for that. gentlemen, leaving it there. should are brought my whistle today. i always appreciate both of you. i love hearing both sides. the passion in your voices. appreciate both of you. david, ben, thank you very much. we ll have much, much more, of course, on this district court ruling with regard to the nsa and the unconstitutionality of the fourth amendment at the top of the hour, and a lot of you talking about what should happen if, if, the big if, ed snowden is granted amnesty in the u.s. coming up, more singers are cancelling gigs at seaworld of blackfish but are the artists overreacting? i ll talk with someone who says there is a place for killer whales in captivity. iowa is the first state out of the gates in the presidential race 2016. hillary clinton is polling well among democrats, but
happening within the government, crimes against the american people. i think we should feel more comfortable with a precedent set that says whistleblowers who expose systemic problems deserve to be treated as heroes. not criminals. you re admitting a major fact, which is snowden took things that are far outside the scope of what you re choosing to talk about right now. you re assuming that. you re assuming that. where is your proof for that? you have no proof for that. you re simply assuming that. you have no proof for that. hold on. go ahead, ben. make your point. what we know he has taken is information that has exposed crimes. time-out, time-out, time-out, time-out. ben ferguson, make your point. david, respond. go. there are millions of pieces of data, is what we have been told he has. he s even claimed that. all of it cannot be connected to one single core issue. that s exactly why the russians and other people offered help, because they had information they wanted t