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MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber June 4, 2024 22:17:00

which is a little different than just the law, we are joined now by national security expert david rothcoff a columnist for the daily beast who served in and around intelligence in and out of the private sector. welcome back, david. hi. how are you? i m good. on the one hand, the law, as we ve discussed in a previous segment has very strict rules, period. on the other hand, by the time you get to a jury or you talk about the holistic equities, the term lawyer is sometimes used, it does matter whether you re dealing with jay walking which is technically illegal or running across the treat, you still have a legal document and whether we get into war plans. what is your view by your experience by trump s open words. we don t know the douchl

MSNBC Morning Joe June 4, 2024 11:22:00

zelenskyy himself said it is not something they re actively pursuing. if it grows elsewhere in europe and it is a more united west in europe, the white house supports that. they feel like it would be a bulwark for russian aggression down the road. a certain former president has been saying how brilliant putin is, been saying it for years, been saying what a strong leader he is. in my adult life i can t think of a leader who has made a more catastrophic blunder for his country geopolitically than vladimir putin has over the past six, seven weeks. nothing strategic about it. everything has backfired. as david said, he wanted nato to contract, it has expanded. he now has latvia and estonia going, we re not scared of russian troops anymore. you have joe biden saying we will defend every inch of nato soil. you have the west splintering. china was doing a pretty good

MSNBC Morning Joe June 4, 2024 11:26:00

states, of course, are the ones with the greatest oil reserves, greatest natural gas reserves. why dependent on those countries for another 20 years when we have the technology to move forward? and the germans now realize if they can kept their nuclear power plants on they would need not one drop of oil, no gas. so they re going to revisit that policy now and, hopefully, the rest of europe will follow suit. and the united states of america. right. my god, three mile island, do you know how much that set us back, and building nuclear plants here with zero carbon footprint. it is really extraordinary. we have the means to move forward and reduce green house gases, reduce reliance on russia and on venezuela and on iran. just are we going to do it? david rothcoff, thank you for

MSNBC Morning Joe June 4, 2024 11:04:00

from the daily beast , david. david, how are you doing today? doing okay. the red sox last last night, 5 and 5, worst season since 1965. there are 152 games left. are there? ? yeah. 152 games of pain. it will be a very long season. yeah, being handled by the orioles over the weekend. you know, it is so funny. we started 0 and 3 against the orioles. you should have heard everybody talking. it was a this is the end. of course, we are crying when we beat the yankees, screaming, we are the champions, going all the way. and then we stopped hitting and it is back to where we were with 0 and 3. our two .500 clubs, one game out of first place. i think there s still some hope. there is that. we just had jeffrey sachs on.

MSNBC Morning Joe June 4, 2024 11:18:00

that that ukraine should be able to do whatever it wants to do, but that would be provocative. but the eu is this is what the battle has been about since the orange revolution, hasn t it, david? they want to move west. they want their economy connected to the west and not russia. how important is this? well, as jon meacham would no doubt say, this goes back to catherine the great. yes, and the rebellion. the rebellion always figures in this. the issue is where does europe start and russia begin, right. in this particular case ukraine has said, we want to be part of europe for a long time now and russia has hated that idea. they hate now i mean look at the russian troops coming in and stealing washing machines. they re seeing a lifestyle in ukraine that they don t have any access to. that s right.

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