message but there may be some danger in not fully representing the darpger isis and groups like that continue to provide. sure. the word isis is one of the most contentious of our age and no politician can look weak on terror. admitting isis has grown under your watch is not something any administration can do and succeed in another election. so time and again we see what is happening is an attempt to exaggerate the gains, an attempt to point to the fact the physical afa physicalical afate is gone, though the virtual remains in fact. looking at the gas half full when the half empty side is quite worrying. good to see you, as always, our msnbc contributor and the new york times foreign correspondent, expert in these matters. we will be right back after this quick break. you re watching msnbc. yourself are my bones strong? life is full of make or break moments. that s why it s so important
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group s insurgent capabilities are on the rise. joining me now is our msnbc contributor and the new york times foreign correspondent who covered organizations like isis and al qaeda extensively over the years. there s always been tension and argument between people who say a group is on the rise. the issue is talking about pulling out of afghanistan, which a lot of americans would support because there s a lot of fatigue over this war and no clear understanding of what success actually looks like. at the same time the last time before we went into afghanistan, it had basically become a haven for terrorists because the taliban had invited al qaeda in. what s to say that s not going to happen again? i think it is happening right now. according to the foundation of the defense of democracies, 50% of afghanistan is still contested or controlled by the taliban. that s an enormous swath of territory. what they have done is embedded
themselves in the rural areas around major population centers and the fear is if americans pull out, those population centers are going to be overrun. if the afghani taliban has always been a haven for al qaeda, never backed away for this and not just al qaeda but a number of other groups, like the one behind the mumbai attack and pakistani taliban, which claimed an attempted attack in times square a couple of years ago. at the same time you spent time recently in syria. yes. and there s talk about isis being resurgent in of this sm z places. how do we describe it? pompeo said they don t control land, the caliphate. there may be fancy footwork going on there. what do we need to know about terrorist groups, isis in particular, in iraq and syria? it was clear when i was there in february and first days of march that isis had never been defeated. this was a group that still had
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