themselves in the rural areas around major population centers and the fear is if americans pull out, those population centers are going to be overrun. if the afghani taliban has always been a haven for al qaeda, never backed away for this and not just al qaeda but a number of other groups, like the one behind the mumbai attack and pakistani taliban, which claimed an attempted attack in times square a couple of years ago. >> at the same time you spent time recently in syria. >> yes. >> and there's talk about isis being resurgent in of this sm z places. how do we describe it? pompeo said they don't control land, the caliphate. there may be fancy footwork going on there. what do we need to know about terrorist groups, isis in particular, in iraq and syria? >> it was clear when i was there in february and first days of march that isis had never been defeated. this was a group that still had