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it s sort of two decision points that i m told drive the timing and the scheduling and the overall decision process about when where and how the president addresses the american people on this issue. great to have you on the program. thank you bob your experience and insights have been invaluable. thank you so much for being with us again tonight. coming up, we are live in ukraine with more on what vladimir putin and the rest of the world should expect in an unconventional war. a cyber expert and former special agent for the fbi both standing by. later, foreign policy suddenly takes center stage with just one week to go before the state of the union. the 11th hour, just getting underway on monday night.
you need to be mindful as you continue these economic aggressive and political actions directed against me, you need to be mindful i have this capability. let s hope it s just a signal but doesn t intend to use these capabilities. we have had our cyber expert go to nato in recent weeks. nato has been urged to improve their cyber defenses. ukraine as well was getting help from us, supposedly, how well defended are we even here at home. you look at solar winds and how late we were to even discovering what was going on? we need to be mindful, the metric has to be, look, if the metric or the view in people s minds is any penetration, that means that the opponent, in this case, the russians have succeeded. i would argue what we need to demonstrate is our resiliency, and we can deal with cyber challenges as we acknowledge there could be pain or disruption for potentially short
lays out the stakes today. that headlines reads here is what a cyber war with russia may actually look like. let s bring in a cyber expert and senior fellow with the atlantic council. u.s. officials have told me this week there is a multi-phase russian plan to try and debilitate the u.s. energy sector. they say it is actually underway right now. phase one launch before putin even invaded. that s right. i think with russia being the most sanctioned country on the planet a real risk they ll retaliate in cyberspace and not take it lying down. the energy and financial sector will be their top targets and we should not be lulled into thinking that because they are incompetent on the battlefield in ukraine they will be incompetent in cyber face. cyber forces carry quite a punch. gillian: 16 days in now yesterday i learned that it turns out i want to get this right. russian ran someway has been
between 2019 and 2020. so, what is it that the hackers look for and how do they do it? here is one cyber expert whose job it is to test companies security. the first thing they do is kind of do this mass scan of the internet, looking for particularly vulnerable computers or vulnerable companies. so, you imagine that a thief is walking down the street, they are looking for a house to break into, they are looking for the house with the open door or open window. what the russians are able to do is scan everywhere. so you imagine they can look at every house, look for any open window in the whole country, or the whole of the us, the whole of the west, and then target them all simultaneously. and if a hacker from anywhere does find an open window, it can be very costly. but so far russia seems to be focused on more conventional warfare and we haven t seen the levels of digital disruption they are capable of. there may be a number of reasons behind this, not least the fierce resistance bein