aspect of this detailed property inventory cemented today. also today, an exit from the new york times reporter, maggie haberman s upcoming book appeared in the atlantic, and it contains evidence of donald trump s awareness, of his legal, criminal jeopardy involving documents he took to florida. almost exactly one year ago, on september 16th, 2021, maggie haberman interviewed donald trump for her book, in the atlantic she reports that he demurred when i asked if he had taken any documents of note upon departing the white house. nothing of great urgency, no, he said, before mentioning the letters that kim jong-un had sent to, which it showed off to so many oval office visitors, the advisers were concerned that he was being careless with sensitive material. you are able to take those with you?
representing there. he should ve known better. i do think what s interesting about this is it signals that meadows is i think that he s probably cooperating more than we realize with the department of justice. okay. so if that s the case, that means that he is, what, maybe trying to make up for things like this or, i mean, who knows. do you think it s possible that he is now cooperating a lot more maybe, in part, because of a statement like that, which was, at best, clueless and lazy and at worst a lie? i think so. and also the fact that we haven t heard him on the air waves trying to defend trump or anything like it. and we know that philbin who s part of this set of events is speaks to the fbi at least in spring of this year. so the idea at least that they wouldn t have reached out to him is a stretch of the imagination. so i think they have reached out to him. and then he s either cooperating because he s a direct witness or he s cooperating because he has a certain level of c
about further investigation and we ll find out about that later. but the point about bobb and corcoran that carol makes is very strong. bobb is the one to signed an attestation after a diligent search, there s nothing here. surprise, there s a whole other cache of things, including in rooms where they told them they couldn t go in, including in trump s desk. that s devastating. so that attestation was false. if she if trump tries to point the finger at her and say he didn t know anything, she s in criminal jeopardy. that s exactly the person kind of person both of them who are made to order to cooperate and there s going to be immediate pressure on them to be witnesses here and potentially witnesses against the former president. thanks to you and ryan reilly, let me circle back to you on january 6th. you ve got some news on an indictment against oath keeper?
gabby, how is the trump team reacting here? reporter: well, our sources tell us that former president trump himself has been very skeptical that he will, in fact, be indicted in any of these ongoing investigations, brianna. he s been asking his attorneys in these meetings do you really think i m going to be indicted? really grilling them on his potential legal defense strategy, but also whether they think he s in criminal jeopardy. the former president has also been ignoring advice from those same attorneys. we ve been told that he was advised by his attorneys to strictly stop contacting folks who have been wrapped up in the january 6th investigation and also the ongoing justice department criminal probe into january 6, and that includes his former chief of staff, mark meadows. this is somebody who has become deeply entangled in these investigations and who trump has refused to stop talking to. our sources tell us that they have been in contact over the summer, that they ve been ta
they have tried to neuter the congress every time they had to be held to be accountable for anything. pat cipollone led that, as norm well knows, very effectively in an impeachment proceeding that was really almost an obstruction of congress, and how he got away with it i don t know. but he did. the statute has run, i think, on it so it s no longer an issue. don, one thing i want to add, i think pat cipollone has to consider whether or not he s got jeopardy, criminal jeopardy, and whether he s going to have to invoke the fifth amendment on some of these himself. talk to me more about that. why do you say that? well, if you listen to what cassidy told us, she said he was warning about conspiracies to obstruct justice, conspiracies to defraud the electoral count, one crime after another,