here he is unsparing in his rejection of trump and giuliani s election fraud delusions. i told them that the stuff that his people were shoveling out to the public was bull [ bleep ]. that the claims of fraud were bull [ bleep ], and you know, made a statement about that, but i reiterated that they wasted a whole month on these claims on the dominion voting machines and they were idiotic claims. i specifically raised a dominion voting machines which i found to be among the most disturbing allegations and disturbing in the sense that i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public, that there was this systemic corruption in the system and that their votes didn t count and that these machines controlled by somebody else were actually determining it which was complete nonsense, and it was being laid out there, and i told him that it was that it was stuff
knowledge and their effort to get trump to say something that hewed close to the facts which was the fact of his loss and this separation between stepien and miller and it sounds like kushner walks between both worlds with what we ve seen so far, and then rudy and sidney powell and the others, i mean, are we sort of looking at how trump splits off from anyone with any semblance of adherence to reality? i think what you ll also see in subsequent hearings is the fact that how quickly the former president can go from hearing advice from a trusted advisor and then walking out and saying completely something different. time and time again, he does this. and it really is dangerous, because what we re talking about is a threat to democracy, and overturning a peaceful transfer of power, which is a hallmark of our democratic system. but to your point, we re going to hear more about team crazy vs. team normal and the duelling factions that were in the president s the former
out in subsequent hearings, but the role of rudy giuliani and part of the clown car of attorneys that they had was magnified because they were the only ones who were willing to tell the president what he wanted to hear, and the former president is someone who only wants to surround himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear. so, that s why he wasn t listening to bill barr. that s why he wasn t listening to jason miller, and that s why he was listening to sidney powell and rudy giuliani, because they fed him the conspiracy theories and lies that he wanted to hear, that gave him a chance at holding power. bill stepien s testimony was supposed to be live. there was a really quick pivot to using those taped depositions. bill barr s taped deposition is so lengthy, i think i ve heard him say b.s. and not abbreviation three or four times. just talk about how much you have. we have a lot of depositions.
it during the administration. it also highlights a preexisting issue that all the other grift that was going on surrounding the campaign. there s been extensive reporting about allegedly a criminal investigation into sidney powell and her fund-raising activity, all the information surrounding steve bannon. you have i think probably no happier group of individuals than the attorneys representing dominion with all the statements coming out that trump and people rnd him were told time and again there were no problems with the voting equipment. it is difficult to look at the breadth of all this potential criminal activity and of course the challenge to the department of justice and all the other law enforcement agencies is how you take a limited number of resources and, again, you re already charging 800-plus insurrectionists at the capitol, but how you look at all this other potential crime and prioritize it and sufficiently address it, and i think it makes