overturn the election results. that man is donald trump s top white house lawyer pat cipollone. he sat down for a transcribed interview under oath with investigators this morning. as far as we can tell, that interview or that meeting is ongoing at this hour. punch bowl news reports this about the parameters of today s testimony from cipollone, quote, sources tell us that the select committee does not have an agreement about what investigators can or cannot ask him. prior to hutchinson s testimony the panel had discussed an arrangement with cipollone for an on the record interview, but cipollone backed away from it, sources tell us. cipollone is expected to claim executive privilege over conversations he had with trump, but there is plenty that the committee is interested in outside of that category. for example, we expect cipollone will be asked about conversations with former white house chief of staff mark meadows. the possibility that cipollone could provide gamechanging i
here he is unsparing in his rejection of trump and giuliani s election fraud delusions. i told them that the stuff that his people were shoveling out to the public was bull [ bleep ]. that the claims of fraud were bull [ bleep ], and you know, made a statement about that, but i reiterated that they wasted a whole month on these claims on the dominion voting machines and they were idiotic claims. i specifically raised a dominion voting machines which i found to be among the most disturbing allegations and disturbing in the sense that i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public, that there was this systemic corruption in the system and that their votes didn t count and that these machines controlled by somebody else were actually determining it which was complete nonsense, and it was being laid out there, and i told him that it was that it was stuff
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6th and the big lie and trump s attempt to stay in power and this has probably solidified that. it has hurt him in terms of his prospects for running and winning. i think there are a lot of republicans who on the record should say he should be on mount rushmore, and he probably shouldn t run because he ll be treated unfairly because of january 6th and what they think is he s been damaged. first of all, the politics should be secondary because the most important thing is we make it harder to do this again and every indication is there are still a lot of republicans who are fine doing it again and so the most important thing is to get that, and the politics certainly are not harmful. i m not sure they ll have much impact in 2022, but i think they could have an impact in 2024 and that couldn t be more important. because if we survive the 24 election we ll probably be okay, but if they don t, we won t. going back to qanon and charlottesville, trump is always
hi there, everyone. it s 4:00 in new york. big day. the second public hearing by the january 6th select committee focused on the baseless conspiracy that ultimately led to the attack on the u.s. capitol. the myth that millions of americans to this hour still believe that the big lie that the election was stolen from donald trump and how the chief proponents of the big lie, the disgraced ex-president and his innermost circle knew that the big lie was just that, a lie, and used it anyway to spawn a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. arguably, it s difficult to say this out loud. the star witness of today s witness was trump s own a.g., bill barr, the man who carried water for trump for years until he broke with the big lie and trump s coup attack.