smoking gun tape of june 23rd, 1972, white house tape said we re going to stop this fbi investigation. we re going to use the cia to stop an fbi investigation. it is precisely analogous investigation. interesting from the white house, david gregory, they say the conversation did not happen that way. very interesting then. didn t happen. never happened. never said it. you know, it didn t happen that way is giving them some room. different in posture to what they took in the second paragraph of that now infamous letter of why they got rid of comey. three times they told me i wasn t investigated. that will come back to help or haunt them. how important politically is this as a credibility battle for the gopers on the fence? i think that is very
conversations and then, of course, the quote you showed of someone close to comey saying, i hope there are tapes. so, again, in a credibility battle, i m not sure if that s one that trump calms out omes o. we ve now been talking 16 weeks that the president is not an institutionalist. he is not among us those who have been steeped in the ways of the presidents just because we ve learned a lot about it and find it interesting. he came from another world. does that explain that he apparently did not know what his words, in neither confirming or denying recording, the kind of scrutiny that that brief appearance with jeanine pirro would bring? well, i do think you need to remember this is the first president who s never served a minute in elected office before now and never been in the military before now. this is all new to him. this is both a strength and a weakness. it s a strength obviously because people who support him love the fact that he s shaking
investigation. let s talk about, call it comey s revenge and how you think that s going to play out now? well, basically what we have is donald trump s credibility versus that of james comey. i m not sure if that s a fight donald trump wants to pick. james comey, for all the controversy he has been a part of, remains a respected figure certainly among the fbi and among law enforcement and among some on capitol hill and the idea that he s the one pushing these false narratives and the it s the president who is the one delivering the truth on this seems a little dubious to a lot of people, all the more so because the president has been acting so defensive making this veiled or not so veiled threat about recording their conversations. and then of course the quote you showed, someone close to comey saying i hope there are tapes. so, again, in a credibility battle i m not sure if that s one that trump comes out on top. peter we have been talking 16 weeks now of this administration that
donald trump wants to pick. james comey, for all the controversy he has been a part of, remains a respected figure certainly among the fbi and among law enforcement and among some on capitol hill and the idea that he s the one pushing these false narratives and the it s the president who is the one delivering the truth on this seems a little dubious to a lot of people, all the more so because the president has been acting so defensive making this veiled or not so veiled threat about recording their conversations. and then of course the quote you showed, someone close to comey saying i hope there are tapes. so, again, in a credibility battle i m not sure if that s one that trump comes out on top. peter we have been talking 16 weeks now of this administration that the president is not, shall we say an institutionalist. he is not among those of us who have been steeped in history in the ways of the presidency because we have learned about it and find it interesting. he came from another
thursday without giving dr. ford the opportunity to publicly testify about what took place and for judge kavanaugh to have the opportunity to respond. at this point, it s a credibility battle. we re never going to know exactly what happened in that room that day 36 years ago. and i think that s what the white house is banking on. they re thinking that kavanaugh s credibility, they re going to put that up against dr. ford s. and we re going to look at, this is exactly why women are so reluctant to come forward when they make these kinds of accusations, when they happen. because they re afraid of getting torn apart in public. and it s not easy. but in the era of me too, it s a completely different environment. and i think that the republicans, particularly the white house, they have to be cautious about the way they go after dr. ford, because you ve got two female senators who are crucial in moving forward kavanaugh s nomination and collins and murkowski and you also have a midterm. you