court clears the way. we have a lot in the show tonight. i want to begin on this piece of the breaking news, with the daily beast s margaret carlson and jason johnson from theroot.com. good evening to both of you. good evening, ari. good evening. margaret, your view of what we have here in the layer cake, i would argue, some cake that is not fully famous, so whether people know and believe mr. kent is a matter of some debate. rising all the way up to the john bolton frosting. someone that is a bright red bushian, fox newsian, trumpian frosting. what does it mean if he publicly turns on trump in this probe? so you have this delicious cake over here, which is composed of the deep state. the radical, unelected bureaucrats, as trump refers to them, who work for trump change. no one ever thanks them, they don t look for gratitude, and it s good because they re never going to get it, until now when they come forward. and one of the pictures i like,
american people. i told you before, i m very disappointed with the attorney general, but we will see what happens. time will tell. time will tell. should we be worried? don t say that. otherwise, i ll say, tom, you re fired! yeah, it s it s sort of terrifying. and you know, as somebody who was a deep in the reality show swamps, i get this we were part creating this uncanny merger between reality and reality and now we re being forced to live through it. so a lot of us are feeling a certain amount of guilt about it. right, i can understand that. and many people tony schwartz, a guest in this show as well, who helped create the trump brand is now dealing with that. although a mind is a great thing to be able to change. i wonder sometimes when you take
might be one thing. but he s saying it because there s nothing that trump will tolerate from lindsey graham. when lindsey graham complained about what was happening to the kurds, he quickly found a reason to back off of that. trump calls him, scares him, puts fear of god into him and then he backs off. this is what they all do. steve doocy. there is something about trump that makes grown men quake in their boots. grown people. adults in general. grown. grown-up. and then they do the toddler thing, in order to comply with trump s wishes. hmm. and what senator kennedy said last night about senator pelosi, which i m not going to repeat, senator kennedy can sometimes be like a normal person, folksy, you know w, we kind of like him but that was something he said because trump was there. and he had to play by trump s rules. and you re really talking about, if it gets to the senate,
actions on trump s behalf, he did a lot of pro bono work for trump that s now costing him a lot of money. i m losing you a little bit. you know what, what i said wasn t that important. i know how it is with audio. that s on us. you give us your final thought, big picture. final thoughts are, if rudy giuliani is charged, there s nowhere to go but up, and i have to believe, rather than running the risk of ending up in the federal bureau of prisons, where he put so many people when he was a u.s. attorney, he s going to sing. fascinating. and a lot riding on that investigation. glenn kirschner, thanks for putting up with us and thanks for joining the beat tonight, sir. thank you. appreciate you. coming up, donald trump is already exploring post-white house plans, including a potential new reality show. can t make it up. but first, we have a lot more serious news, including major developments in this trial
between actually occurring reality and the kind of mediated reality shows they ve propagated. when the ukraine scandal, when the two crash into each other two bad things can happen. the reality dimension of the ukraine scandal is that much of it was setup just so the ukrainian president have a press conference to say what trump needed him to say so that trump could then turn around and call everything a witch hunt. it didn t matter whether there was any there there, as long as they had enough programming to support the conspiracy theory. that s right. and if you can create enough noise, i think you can also see it in the mode of diskrcourse, that kind of weird feeling. no one ever answers the question, there s no conversation, there s only attack. there s only someone walking in going i didn t come here to make friends. well, we re out of time but