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you know, when i do something wrong, when i was a kid, you don t want to face up to the teacher telling you off. detention itself wasn t the problem. the problem was the telling off the humiliation, the shame. olivia, jan, eilish and zara. young lives stolen by violent criminals who ve been exposed as cowards in court. fiona lamdin, bbc news. and joining us on the sofa is criminal lawyer, craig mackenzie. thank you for coming in. what happens at the moment? if the defendant says they are not going into a courtroom full sentence and when they refuse, what happens? it very much depends on where they are. if they are already in the court building themselves and they refuse to be brought up, then thejudge may direct they be brought up. at the

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