of the conspiracy, that is the d.a. is doing. she is filling in that picture with more building blocks, more evidence that she intends to present at trial. harry litman, i want to pull back to that broader perspective you took in your la times column today about the importance of this case and the scope of this case. please expand on that. sure. we were anticipating this in the couple of days before it came out. but first and foremost we had charges now against trump, plus 18 people. and if you think about an overall sort of national effort at reconciliation and accountability, you just have to charge and get redress of the so-called gaggle of crack pot lawyers, the six here including jenna ellis, that really did trump s conduct. that s a big part of it.
accountability, you just have to charge and get redress of the so-called gaggle of crack pot lawyers, the six here including jenna ellis, that really did trump s conduct. that s a big part of it. second is the way in which the many different folks will potentially cooperate and provide both information and accountability. and third, are just different factors in the georgia scheme, not just rico but preventative detention. andrew talked about this a couple of days ago. and speedy trial that when what we really have here is a possibility, it may be literally years down the line, as gwen has just said. but you think about a time
giuliani and mike pence on the campaign trail has been referring to them as his crack pot lawyers. what do you think about some of the lawyering that went on in this case, leading up to these indictments? i mean, look, you can always sit there after the fact and pick apart things that lawyers have done. i will tell you this, based on my representation of multiple people, not just the president, but bernie kerik, i will say that sidney powell is one of those lawyers that everything i ve seen she was putting out theories that she didn t have any backup for. and that was actually one of the things that, you know, this indictment makes it seem like rudy giuliani and sidney powell were shoulder to shoulder. everything i ve seen is the opposite. rudy giuliani was trying to push her out because she was pushing theories that she had no backup for. so i do think that that is a split that you re going to see develop a little bit more fully
mike pence. he s also the star witness in the newest prosecution of donald trump. here is an indiana on the campaign trail. the first time i heard in early december someone suggests that as vice president might be able to decide which votes i could reject in which to accept, i knew that it was false. our founders had just won a war against the king and the last thing they would have done is this unilateral authority on any one person to decide who would be the next president. i dismissed it out of hand but sadly, president was surrounded by a group of crack pot lawyers who kept telling him what is itching ears wanted him to hear. and i made my case to what i thought my oath of the constitution were acquired, the president ultimately continued to demand that i choose him over the constitution. andrew weissmann is with us and, also joining our discussion timothy a former
vest unilateral authority in any one person to decide who would be the next president. i dismissed it out of hand but sadly, the president was surrounded by a group of crack pot lawyers who kept telling him what is itching ears wanted him to hear. and i made my case to what i thought my oath of the constitution to require, the president ultimately continued to demand that i choose him over the constitution. andrew weissmann is with us and, also joining our discussion tim heaphy, a former u. s. attorney s and the who served as lead investigator for the january six committee. and barb mcquade, a university of law school she s an msnbc analyst. tim heaphy, let me only getting to do that now, finally. he says the first time i heard about this, in early december,