call he had where it says trump berated him for not going along with efforts to reject the election, telling him quote, you re too honest. and also going after trump calling him a person who relied on a bunch of crack pot lawyers. so he s speaking out in a way he hasn t before. what do you think about the way he s handling this? i think it s finally happening. he needs to be separating himself from trump. i think he s right to run with that. i think wear that as a badge of honor to be called too honest. i think pence should run on the make truth great again campaign. we need to be talking truth here and that would be to his benefit. look, you know, i actually have seen this dynamic before between trump and pence. i saw it honestly during the covid pandemic where pence was at times too honest. his press conferences were going a little too well and too factual and trump was annoyed and got upset with him and then
speculation that as vice president that i had authority to overturn the election by rejecting votes, i frankly dismissed it out of hand. the founders of this country had just won a war of independence against a king. i was confident as a student of american history that those founders would have never vested the vice president or anyone else with unilateral authority to decide what electoral college votes to count and which not to count. i was clear on that i was clear with president trump throughout all the way up to the morning of january 6. let s be clear on this point. it wasn t that they asked for a pause. the president specifically asked me in his gaggle of crack pot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes, which would have resulted in the issue of being turned over to the house of representatives and literally chaos would have ensued. so martha, people can read the indictment.
sadly, the president was surrounded by a group of crack pot lawyers that kept telling him what his itching ears wanted to hear. while i made my case to him, the president ultimately continued to demand that i choose him over the constitution. crack pot lawyers, huh? all right. this comes as the white house and joe biden s re-election campaign have been declining to comment on the indictment. the campaign has pledged to not fund raise off of trump s legal woes, a pledge they have so far followed through on, but the night is still young. my panel is here to discuss. this is the first time mike pence ever said that gave you a rousing that is tough talk from pence. crack pot lawyers, some of whom i bet he knew and worked with. clearly, the vice president is trying to distance himself from trump. he and his team knew that when this indictment came down, the