karen fáfreedmant( served as th chief assistantçó district attorney in the manha(ép d.a. s office.w3 both joined me now. michael cohen testified that trump had a lengthy relationship. have a listen. i was involvedñr in several these catch-and-killçó episodes. these catch-and-killt( scenario existed between david pecker and mr. trump along before i starte1 working for him in 2007. karen, explainxd us to the significance of david pecker coming back to testify to the grand jury today. yeah, so, there isn tñ2hp lo of question of factok here abou whether or not payments were made. that s not going to be proven by books and records, including the fact that these payments that were made, 11 of themjfñr while trump w+w■ sitting presmant, were made and false entriesxd we retainers. the question that is really for the grand juryw3 to decide ñiis3 trump involved in these payments? did he know about them? did hew3 know about the purpose? did he know that these
oks like he s trapped and finds a way to wiggle his way out of it, it adds to the legend ofjf trump. so, for himçót( tot(r>ñ lean in thing he is being pursued about for that audience is on brand for him. good point. and charles, you also write in your piece, after trump s speech, i went back to listen to his first speech after announcing his candidacy in 2015. the tone and themes weret( strikingly similar. he hasn t grown personally orq politically since then. he s more sure of himself andq more vulgar, but narcissism isw still his engine. i agree with a lot ofiathat, bu i also and i want to get your take here when you look at trump in 2015 and 2016, even 2020, he s playing footsie with a lot of the extremists now that he s openly in bed with. he was playingçó footsie witht( qanon in 2020. now he s openly qanon. he was kind kind of playing
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tim, i want to askxd you abo david pecker,ñi but given what karen just said, i have to ask if donald trump is getting arrested this week after his false claim of being arrested last week, if he s getting indicted this week, you know thd man, you ve been in legal proceedings with the man, what now? well, i think he se1 deeply afraid. everything i thinkñr there s two things motivating what he s doings7■ rightñi now. every donald trump action can either be explained through a self-preservation. he is clearly in self-preservation mode. i think watchingxd allen weisselberg, his former cfo, get fingerprinted and perp walkedq%% and media, forjf someone who thrive sustenance, the last thing he front of the media in a courtroom, and i think he is deeply afraid of that. i think he s also very well aware at this pointt( that evenf
and robert costellow3 highlight that baggage for theñr grand qj, and david pecker testified, i think, over three months ago in a grand jury, and that s a long time, a long time ago, and he can be the onet( to corroborate both of those facts. he can say, of courseñr donald trump knew and was involved, and because he wanted me to catch and kill these stories. and yes, it was because of the election, et r think the significance is, if there is any question whether or notlplp alvin bragg was going t seek anfágiçindictment, this te oing to ask indictment, this te or another. he s not going to not bring this case. he s going to ask the grand jury to uutw3 this case, and i think it will be potentially thisr since donald trump is in new york this week, and for security reasons, i thinkr to want to do that around the isñi aríady here. around the